# Please Join Me for the Pitting of LinusK

**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [July 20, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722 "2015-07-20T20:14:51Z")
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### Author: ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2015, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/2 "2015-07-20T20:26:36Z")

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This is my favorite exchange with him:

> [@Men going their own way (MGTOW)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men-going-their-own-way-mgtow/723022/430):
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> And how many times have women been warned about trying to “have it all”? As if “having it all” isn’t something that men have taken for granted for most of modern history? The implication is that women should fear becoming _too_ successful, because success is antithetical to a balanced homelife. Men can’t be expected to be equal co-parents, and of course, forget about expecting them to cook, clean, and all those other girlie things. So a woman who wants to do well career-wise and have a family needs to prepared to “do it all”. This is rubbish.

> [@Men going their own way (MGTOW)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men-going-their-own-way-mgtow/723022/432):
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> This is just sexist stereotyping. I’ve always done more cleaning than my wife (because she basically doesn’t care what the house looks like). When she took her first business trip - when our daughter was 3 weeks old - I stayed home and took care of her. And did it every time she took a business trip - which is 4 - 5 times a year. There’s nothing “girlie” about being a good father, or cleaning up, for that matter.
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> I know I’m only one data point, but all the men I know who _want_ to be fathers, want to be good fathers. And cleaning up - so far as I can see - is more about who cares more about the mess, than about gender.

> [@Men going their own way (MGTOW)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men-going-their-own-way-mgtow/723022/434):
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> That’s exactly what she is saying.

> [@Men going their own way (MGTOW)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men-going-their-own-way-mgtow/723022/435):
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> When she said
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> I thought she meant “men can’t be expect to be equal co-parents, and of course, forget about expecting them to cook, clean, and all those other girlie things.”
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> I’m saying: “Men CAN be expected to be equal co-parents, and to cook and clean.”
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> We SHOULD be expected to do it. And from my - admittedly limited perspective - we are doing it.

> [@Men going their own way (MGTOW)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men-going-their-own-way-mgtow/723022/436):
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> Try this. Read what she said out loud, and use your most sarcastic voice.

> [@Men going their own way (MGTOW)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men-going-their-own-way-mgtow/723022/437):
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> Well, sarcasm means you mean the opposite of what you’re saying.
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> So if she meant the opposite of what she said, she meant… what I said.
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> Which means I agree with her.
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> FWIW, sarcasm often translates poorly in the written form.

> [@Men going their own way (MGTOW)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men-going-their-own-way-mgtow/723022/440):
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> That can be true. But a clue when it’s being used is if an avowed feminist uses the term “girlie.”

> [@Men going their own way (MGTOW)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men-going-their-own-way-mgtow/723022/441):
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> And “This is rubbish.”

> [@Men going their own way (MGTOW)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men-going-their-own-way-mgtow/723022/453):
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> **LinusK** in all seriousness and sincerity I suggest to you that your failure to understand the sarcasm in this remark would indicate that there is _a lot_ you have misunderstood when reading or listening to things feminists (and perhaps people in general…) have said. This failure to note ironic, sarcastic, or otherwise non-serious intent may mean you are getting an inaccurate picture of things.

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