# "Please reach out to military members" thread wrongly closed **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [June 2, 2020, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918 "2020-06-02T11:59:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/81 "2020-06-02T23:34:20Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > … I would think if you want to discuss this further you need to craft the discussion in such a way so that it IS a discussion about the issue and not a “you should go do this.” Can you do that? Open a new thread, restate the question, and go from there? [So done.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=22334787#post22334787) ---
**Author:** ![Fiveroptic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiveroptic/32/8257_2.png) [@Fiveroptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveroptic)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/82 "2020-06-03T01:58:16Z")
What the everloving fuck is wrong with the moderation team here? _Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?_ People like you are what keeps the United States in the early twentieth century. Pull your goddamn collective heads out of your fat asses and look around you. READ YOUR OWN FUCKING MESSAGE BOARD. Fuck you. Fuck this goddamn backward, bigoted, pedophile loving administration. Fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/83 "2020-06-03T01:58:44Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Shame on you. Just because I tell you about it doesn’t mean I support it. I’m telling you that’s what happened. It was wrong then and it’s wrong now. But nothing was ever done about it. For all the claims of “that couldn’t happen” well, it did. Jenny your humble TubaDiva Administrator ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/84 "2020-06-03T02:02:35Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > Just because I tell you about it doesn’t mean I support it. I’m telling you that’s what happened. > > It was wrong then and it’s wrong now. But nothing was ever done about it. > > For all the claims of “that couldn’t happen” well, it did. > > Jenny > your humble TubaDiva > Administrator Your post was grotesque. Nobody said “that couldn’t happen.” Your response was so bizarrely off-topic that nobody could predict you meant it to respond to a thing people didn’t say. You should take a step back and reflect. ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/85 "2020-06-03T02:13:04Z")
> [@faync1](#): > > According to your cite, they were prosecuted. The article says the charges were dismissed by a federal judge. Memory’s a tricky thing sometimes, isnit? My remembrances (50 years later) was that they were never charged. They were indicted and prosecution was sought but you are correct, the case was dismissed. They never served a day for murdering people. So my point still stands. They did a wrong thing – they fired on unarmed civilians exercising their right to free speech and assembly. Jenny your humble TubaDiva ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/86 "2020-06-03T02:46:45Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > Memory’s a tricky thing sometimes, isnit? > > My remembrances (50 years later) was that they were never charged. They were indicted and prosecution was sought but you are correct, the case was dismissed. They never served a day for murdering people. > > So my point still stands. They did a wrong thing – they fired on unarmed civilians exercising their right to free speech and assembly. If only someone had reminded them that they must disobey an unlawful order, and if only they’d listened, nobody would have died that day. But hey, I get it, no calls to action. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/87 "2020-06-03T02:58:19Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > Just because I tell you about it doesn’t mean I support it. I’m telling you that’s what happened. > > It was wrong then and it’s wrong now. But nothing was ever done about it. > > For all the claims of “that couldn’t happen” well, it did. > > Jenny > your humble TubaDiva > Administrator No one claimed that you supported it. No one claimed that it couldn’t happen. This response is just strange. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/88 "2020-06-03T03:23:18Z")
This is a bit of a weird and weirdly tolerated pile on over nothing really. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/89 "2020-06-03T04:45:33Z")
> [@Fiveroptic](#): > > Fuck you. Fuck this goddamn backward, bigoted, pedophile loving administration. Fuck you. Well, this board does have a history of banning outright pedophiles. At least give them that. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/90 "2020-06-03T05:08:34Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Well, this board does have a history of banning outright pedophiles. At least give them that. Eventually. ---
**Author:** ![psychonaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psychonaut/32/4655_2.png) [@psychonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychonaut)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/91 "2020-06-03T07:34:42Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > Firing on ANY American civilian, on American territory is a direct violation of the Posse Comitatus act of 1878 which _explicitly_ forbids the use of active duty military personnel in any action against Americans on American soil. Period. No it doesn’t. Have you actually read the act? It’s not long: > [@](#): > > Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. So no, it isn’t “no using the army to fire on civilians, _period_”; it’s “no using the army to fire on civilians _except as permitted by law_”. And should the orders to fire be given in this case, it will be argued that the pre-existing Insurrection Act is the authorizing legislation. (Note that I’m not saying that it is _right_ to use the army to fire on civilians, just that the executive has a very plausible legal argument to make that it is permissible in this case.) ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/92 "2020-06-03T08:53:04Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > This is a bit of a weird and weirdly tolerated pile on over nothing really. Agreed. There’s about half a dozen people in this thread literally losing their minds in real-time. It’s weirdly fascinating. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/93 "2020-06-03T09:19:39Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > Agreed. There’s about half a dozen people in this thread literally losing their minds in real-time. It’s weirdly fascinating. They are testing insurrection theory about being too many to sanction. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/94 "2020-06-03T09:25:12Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Point being, for decades the SDMB has been using legal liability as an excuse for censorship even though section 230 clearly states they aren’t liable for what its users post. All mods, junior and official, should avoid hiding their censorship behind the fig leaf of “we don’t want to get sued”. AIUI, the board has an abhorrence of risking being sued because even frivolous lawsuits must be answered, even if the answer is a guaranteed successful petition to the court that the lawsuit be thrown out. That pretty much would necessitate the involvement of legal counsel, which the board does not have the resources to acquire. The actual owners of this message board would surely pull the plug before they spent a cent on legal representation for us. So there’s no call to attribute “we don’t want to get sued” to the board with any kind of sneering tone. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/95 "2020-06-03T10:25:38Z")
**Moderator Warning** > [@Fiveroptic](#): > > What the everloving fuck is wrong with the moderation team here? _Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?_ People like you are what keeps the United States in the early twentieth century. Pull your goddamn collective heads out of your fat asses and look around you. READ YOUR OWN FUCKING MESSAGE BOARD. > > Fuck you. Fuck this goddamn backward, bigoted, pedophile loving administration. Fuck you. Pitting moderators is not allowed, especially in ATMB. ATMB posts are expected to be reasonably polite and respectful. While I am generally tolerant of people being upset, this post is just way too far over the line. This is an official warning for inappropriate behavior in ATMB. This is also an official warning for attacking the moderation staff. Given the severity of this, I am also giving you a three day suspension. If you continue to post like this in ATMB when you return, we will be forced to discuss your posting privileges here. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/96 "2020-06-03T10:36:08Z")
**Moderator Note** > [@CarnalK](#): > > Just wanted to say that even though I was recently suspended for being a jerk, I don’t agree that the military should be allowed to shoot unarmed civilians. Unlike the staff here. Let’s dial it back on comments like this. Don’t attack the entire staff because you are upset with one ruling. Feel free to discuss this issue (reasonably politely, this is ATMB), but don’t make sweeping insults against the entire staff. This applies to everyone in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/97 "2020-06-03T11:19:40Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > **Moderator Warning** > > Pitting moderators is not allowed, especially in ATMB. … Please clarify, as the rules in the pit specify: > [@](#): > > Pitting of SDMB staff is permitted for views they express as ordinary posters. I would assume that a mod’s actions as a moderator are not pit-able, but outside those functions a mod can be pitted? But that’s not exactly what you stated. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/98 "2020-06-03T11:47:00Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > **Moderator Note** > > Let’s dial it back on comments like this. Don’t attack the entire staff because you are upset with one ruling. > > Feel free to discuss this issue (reasonably politely, this is ATMB), but don’t make sweeping insults against the entire staff. This applies to everyone in this thread. ? This is ATMB where the policies of mods are commented on the community and either revised or supported by (_including by passive assent_ without objection) the other mods. If the only opinions expressed by moderation staff are consistent with the criticism then it is _very fair_ to characterize that as the position of the moderation team as a group, whether not all expressed and affirmed the opinion. This may be just a note but given that the poster it is placed on has recently come off suspension even a note can be significant. This incorrect one should be reversed. Please consider doing so. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/99 "2020-06-03T12:11:10Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I would assume that a mod’s actions as a moderator are not pit-able, but outside those functions a mod can be pitted? But that’s not exactly what you stated. That is correct. The restriction against pitting moderators only applies to moderation. It does not apply to actions outside of that. Apologies for any confusion. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918/100 "2020-06-03T12:24:42Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > ? > > This is ATMB where the policies of mods are commented on the community and either revised or supported by (_including by passive assent_ without objection) the other mods. If the only opinions expressed by moderation staff are consistent with the criticism then it is _very fair_ to characterize that as the position of the moderation team as a group, whether not all expressed and affirmed the opinion. > > This may be just a note but given that the poster it is placed on has recently come off suspension even a note can be significant. This incorrect one should be reversed. > > Please consider doing so. If you want to attack the policies, that’s fine. That’s what ATMB is for. But taking it to the extreme of saying that the entire moderation staff is so evil that we are advocating shooting unarmed civilians is a little too close to an outright attack on the staff. In other words, it’s along the same lines as attacking the post and not the poster. Feel free to attack the policies, but don’t attack or insult the entire staff. CarnalK’s posting privileges are not in jeopardy. It’s just a note. A lot of folks in this thread are having a fairly extreme emotional reaction. The note is just a reminder to all that it’s not open season on the staff. Be respectful and let’s try to resolve the issues. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-reach-out-to-military-members-thread-wrongly-closed/854918.md?page=6)