# Please recommend an email provider that is not Google
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion
**Created:** [March 13, 2020, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442 "2020-03-13T21:27:02Z")
**Posts on this page:** 19
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### Author:  [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2020, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442/1 "2020-03-13T21:27:02Z")
I’m sure this has been discussed. I have a sneaking suspicion that I may even have brought it up before.
I would really like to move my email accounts away from Google (and Yahoo!). Any suggestions for new providers?
Thank you.
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### Author:  [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2020, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442/2 "2020-03-13T21:35:07Z")
Are you aiming for more privacy **Sunny**?
It may help if you give reasons if it’s not too personal.
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### Author:  [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2020, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442/3 "2020-03-13T21:42:36Z")
IMO, [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) is the best available for end-to-end encrypted email.
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### Author:  [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2020, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442/4 "2020-03-13T21:46:08Z")
Privacy I suppose, but also a desire not to support unethical companies. Google is so far up in my business that they’re looking out my mouth when I open it. I’m not interested in being their product.
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### Author:  [@Heracles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heracles)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2020, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442/5 "2020-03-14T00:11:47Z")
You can get an Office 365 account for a few dollars a month. You can then use Outlook Online and the Outlook app on your devices, they stay synchronised much like GMail.
If you have an Apple device, you can also use an [iCloud.com](http://iCloud.com) account in much the same way.
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### Author:  [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2020, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442/6 "2020-03-14T00:19:52Z")
I’ve also had an easy time with ProtonMail.
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### Author:  [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2020, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442/7 "2020-03-14T00:25:01Z")
Any chance you could use your own domain and host your own mail address(es)? That way you have total control and no one will evesdrop unless you let them. Another advantage is that as long as you own the domain, you can host it anywhere and your email addy won’t have to change.
Most web hosting services, like GoDaddy, can provide this function.
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### Author:  [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2020, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442/8 "2020-03-14T00:36:04Z")
IMHO the best is **[runbox.com](https://runbox.com/)**. Headquartered in Norway. Very secure. Read up on it.
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### Author:  [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2020, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442/9 "2020-03-14T02:45:05Z")
I don’t care about security, I want user-friendly’ The tiny Gmail compose window is only 3 lines high, and when reading the inbox, the right side is cut off the tiny window. I have to compose offline and copy-paste, or copy-paste inbox messages and read them offline.
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### Author:  [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2020, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442/10 "2020-03-14T03:39:42Z")
> [@jtur88](#):
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> I don’t care about security, I want user-friendly’ The tiny Gmail compose window is only 3 lines high, and when reading the inbox, the right side is cut off the tiny window. I have to compose offline and copy-paste, or copy-paste inbox messages and read them offline.
Huh? Mine is at least 20 lines, and there’s a button (looks like 2 diverging diagonal arrows) that expands the compose window to the full screen.
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### Author:  [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2020, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442/11 "2020-03-14T05:03:32Z")
> [@Munch](#):
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> Huh? Mine is at least 20 lines, and there’s a button (looks like 2 diverging diagonal arrows) that expands the compose window to the full screen.
Wher might I look for this amazing button? Maybe Firefox doesn’t support Gmail. (It doesn’t, for Google Phone.)
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### Author:  [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2020, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442/12 "2020-03-14T12:12:51Z")
^^^^^ That only works in the “new message” mode, and is not available when replying to an inbox message or continuing conversation. Even then, it hides the first line when typing a 5th line.
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### Author:  [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2020, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442/13 "2020-03-14T12:31:08Z")
^^^^^ In Chrome it works the way you describe, but still no popout unlell in New Message. But window expands to show more lines. Which it does not do in Firefox.
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### Author:  [@FairyChatMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FairyChatMom)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2020, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442/14 "2020-03-14T13:12:06Z")
I’ve had an account thru [mail.com](http://mail.com) for eons and I’ve been happy with it. I chose the address with [engineer.com](http://engineer.com) since, I am one. As I recall, they had a gazillion different options.
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### Author:  [@albino\_manatee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/albino_manatee)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2020, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442/15 "2020-03-14T15:33:59Z")
> [@jtur88](#):
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> _" [gmail] … In Chrome it works the way you describe, but still no popout unlell in New Message. But window expands to show more lines. Which it does not do in Firefox."_
rubbish … my environment is win-10 with firefox-74 … doesn’t matter the browser … even brave and vivaldi browsers offer same relevant views. what _could_ matter is how you’re accessing gmail … desktop or mobile? imho, this is the only variable that matters … it’s also the only one you did not mention.
i don’t have mobile … my laptop gmail displays as traditional sized email interface _(e.g. allowing many lines of text)_. gmail does offer different view options … of which one is called _“compact view”_ … i’ve used only _“default”_ view. if you wish to change view … look for the _“gear”_ icon … right beneath your _“user”_ icon _(top-right corner)_. the down-menu offers _“display density”_ … think that’s where you’d change from compact-view. however … i’m pretty certain this is not your issue.
when viewing _“inbox”_ … a listing of 20 or so emails may be displayed at any one time.
when _“composing”_ a message … a smaller window appears at right-bottom … 20 or so lines of text are in view at any one time.
when _“replying”_ to a message … a smaller i-frame appears inside the email message window … this probably is your issue.
within the _“compose”_ window … notice the _‘tricolon’_ **⁝** at bottom-right … right beside _“trashcan”_ icon … this gives you option to _“full-screen”_ the compose window.
[[Album] imgur.com  ](https://imgur.com/a/5kDTBev)
within the _“reply”_ interface … the height may default to very short height … but you can enlarge that to pop-out or full-screen … in much the same way.
[[Album] imgur.com  ](https://imgur.com/a/J5nAGKR)
hope this resolves your issue, sir … have a good day.
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### Author:  [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2020, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442/16 "2020-03-14T15:40:38Z")
> [@Musicat](#):
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> Any chance you could use your own domain and host your own mail address(es)? That way you have total control and no one will evesdrop unless you let them. Another advantage is that as long as you own the domain, you can host it anywhere and your email addy won’t have to change.
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> Most web hosting services, like GoDaddy, can provide this function.
This was going to be my suggestion. Domain hosting is pretty cheap. I’ve been thinking about doing this for my personal stuff but I’ve just been too lazy to change the address associated with all my online accounts.
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### Author:  [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2020, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442/17 "2020-03-14T16:08:14Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#):
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> This was going to be my suggestion. Domain hosting is pretty cheap. I’ve been thinking about doing this for my personal stuff but I’ve just been too lazy to change the address associated with all my online accounts.
Can’t you simply set the old address up to forward all messages to your new one?
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### Author:  [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2020, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442/18 "2020-03-14T16:14:31Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#):
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> This was going to be my suggestion. Domain hosting is pretty cheap. I’ve been thinking about doing this for my personal stuff but I’ve just been too lazy to change the address associated with all my online accounts.
A very big issue with email is spam filtering. Gmail provides very good filtering.
If you get your own domain you are probably responsible for the filtering.
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### Author:  [@Doug\_K](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doug_K)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2020, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-recommend-an-email-provider-that-is-not-google/849442/19 "2020-03-14T22:02:04Z")
> [@jtur88](#):
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> I don’t care about security, I want user-friendly’ The tiny Gmail compose window is only 3 lines high, and when reading the inbox, the right side is cut off the tiny window. I have to compose offline and copy-paste, or copy-paste inbox messages and read them offline.
Use a real email client. Seriously. Every OS comes with one, and there are many others available ranging from free to cheap. Your compose window will be a real resizable window, not a small pseudo window. As far as I’m concerned, using a browser interface to read email is like trying to go on a cross country trip on a tricycle.