# Please share your redundonyms! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 18, 2007, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665 "2007-02-18T01:28:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![thirdwarning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecccb3/32.png) [@thirdwarning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdwarning)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/41 "2007-02-20T01:45:07Z")
And, coming in April…ACT tests Or around here…PSAE exam (Prairie State Aptitude Exam) It’s the test all high school juniors have to take. ---
**Author:** ![elelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@elelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elelle)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/42 "2007-02-20T02:26:00Z")
I see the idiocy of the redundancy, and love that term redundonyms, but, since it’s so prevalent, there must be some human need for the reiteration. We might call the last word an “indicator” word, which guides those who don’t know the acronym to at least know what sort of thing is being talked about. However irritating, it does serve a purpose. I’m no linguist, but hope that one of our Linguist Dopers can give an in-depth take on it. ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/43 "2007-02-20T02:34:30Z")
Please RSVP. And along the same lines as AIB Bank, here in Missouri we have UMB Bank–United Missouri Bank Bank (which is a perfect place to key in your PIN number at the ATM machine). ---
**Author:** ![Nic2004](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4491bb/32.png) [@Nic2004](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nic2004)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/44 "2007-02-20T04:08:24Z")
You missed the VIN number (Vehicle Identification Number) number. ---
**Author:** ![thirdwarning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecccb3/32.png) [@thirdwarning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdwarning)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/45 "2007-02-20T07:00:19Z")
[QUOTE=AskNott] He wore a fez hat (or bowler hat.) [/QUOTE] “He wore a cane and derby hat, they called him Bat, Bat Masterson.” Yeah, I’m old. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/46 "2007-02-20T11:47:18Z")
[QUOTE=jjimm] Indeed: the River Avon (Avon from the Welsh for river, afon). The River River. [/QUOTE] I’ll see your River River and raise you [Hillhillhill Hill](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpenhow_Hill). ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/47 "2007-02-20T12:11:43Z")
[QUOTE=Annie-Xmas] SALT talks NATO organization SCUBA apparatus [/QUOTE] I always thought SALT (in this context) referred to _Strategic Arms Limitation **Treaty** _? (On preview, Wikipedia says both are technically correct…) “RAM Memory” strikes me as curiously redundant, as does “CD (or DVD) Disc”… ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/48 "2007-02-20T12:15:35Z")
[QUOTE=gigi] I’m with you, but how else would one distinguish those tar pits from other tar pits? And if they are tar pits within La Brea, which includes things other than tar pits, isn’t it identifying which tar pits they are? [/QUOTE] You’re right. Many’s the time I had to tediously ask _which_ tar pit my friends were wanting to meet me at. Thank God for the few precious times it was La Brea. No endless questions about directions and nearby landmarks, double-checking maps and coordinates, just hop in the car and go. ---
**Author:** ![Subway\_Prophet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecb155/32.png) [@Subway\_Prophet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subway_Prophet)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/49 "2007-02-20T13:44:10Z")
[QUOTE=Dinaroozie] RAID Array (Bonus points because the R stands for ‘redundant’) [/QUOTE] This one had me laughing until I realized that RAID Array (a bunch of disks in a RAID configuration) is a perfectly non-redundant term, when used to differentiate from RAID Disk (a single disk in the array.) But I’m just bitter that **Khadaji** beat me to the punch with FAT Table. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/50 "2007-02-20T14:38:45Z")
[QUOTE=BMalion] You’re right. Many’s the time I had to tediously ask _which_ tar pit my friends were wanting to meet me at. [/QUOTE] PPBBBT! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/51 "2007-02-20T14:53:05Z")
[QUOTE=matt\_mcl] Similarly, there’s a region of Catalonia called the Vall d’Aran; Aran, as I understand it, is simply Basque for “valley.” So it’s the Valley of Valley. I think a lot of place names end up being like this. [/QUOTE] Yeah well there’s also the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers and a ton of Spanish rivers with names that start by Guada-… I just don’t think it counts if you’re mixing languages. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/52 "2007-02-20T15:02:27Z")
[QUOTE=thirdwarning] “He wore a cane and derby hat, they called him Bat, Bat Masterson.” [/QUOTE] How exactly do you _wear_ a cane? The way I’m thinking, you’d need a very skinny neck. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/53 "2007-02-20T15:50:07Z")
**MRI Image** (Magnetic Resonace Imaging Image)…although this is missing a word in a sense, it should be an MRI _machine_ image. **LANL Lab** (Los Alamos National Laboratory Laboratory)…actually government is fertile ground for this effort. Sailboat ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/54 "2007-02-20T16:54:19Z")
[QUOTE=Beware of Doug] How exactly do you _wear_ a cane? The way I’m thinking, you’d need a very skinny neck. [/QUOTE] Or maybe a guy could weat it below the waist at times. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f19dbf/32.png) [@Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Only_Mostly_Dead)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/55 "2007-02-20T17:02:24Z")
[QUOTE=Zeldar] MLB Baseball [/QUOTE] I seem to remember a dispute on the board a few months back that this (along with others such as NFL Football and MLS Soccer) would not be redundant because MLB, NFL, and MLS refer to specific leagues. There could still be Minor League Baseball, Arena Football League Football, or World Cup Soccer, for example. ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/56 "2007-02-20T18:21:29Z")
[QUOTE=Beware of Doug] How exactly do you _wear_ a cane? The way I’m thinking, you’d need a very skinny neck. [/QUOTE] For some gentlemen who aren’t lame, a fancy cane is part of the wardrobe. Gregory House _uses_ a cane; Bat Masterson _wore_ a cane. Not many men these days have a cane if they don’t need help walking. Leon Redbone does an old song about a fellow who “can’t be seen without my cane.” 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/57 "2007-02-20T18:39:36Z")
[QUOTE=Only Mostly Dead] I seem to remember a dispute on the board a few months back that this (along with others such as NFL Football and MLS Soccer) would not be redundant because MLB, NFL, and MLS refer to specific leagues. There could still be Minor League Baseball, Arena Football League Football, or World Cup Soccer, for example. [/QUOTE] Okay. I follow that logic somewhat. All I meant was that Major League Baseball Baseball strikes me (pun intended) as redundant. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/58 "2007-02-20T19:43:10Z")
[QUOTE=Nava] Yeah well there’s also the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers and a ton of Spanish rivers with names that start by Guada-… I just don’t think it counts if you’re mixing languages. [/QUOTE] A pseudoredundancy is East Timor, as Timor means “east.” (In Indonesian it’s called Timor Timur.) Of course, the two easts mean different things: it’s the eastern half of the eastern island. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/59 "2007-02-20T21:26:08Z")
[QUOTE=Only Mostly Dead] I seem to remember a dispute on the board a few months back that this (along with others such as NFL Football and MLS Soccer) would not be redundant because MLB, NFL, and MLS refer to specific leagues. There could still be Minor League Baseball, Arena Football League Football, or World Cup Soccer, for example. [/QUOTE] I’m not following this reasoning. I don’t care if it’s the AFL or NFL, it is football. Whether the “M” stands for major or minor, it is baseball. There is no need to put the words football or baseball after the acronymn because the sport is already defined. ---
**Author:** ![FatBaldGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecd19e/32.png) [@FatBaldGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FatBaldGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665/60 "2007-02-20T21:40:01Z")
A recursive redundonym from Dilbert: \*\* The TTP Project\*\* Where TTP stands for The TTP Project [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-share-your-redundonyms/392665.md?page=2)