# Please stop using singular they for posters who have an established gender **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [December 29, 2023, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-stop-using-singular-they-for-posters-who-have-an-established-gender/995306 "2023-12-29T10:11:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 310
**Author:** ![Bob\_Blaylock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_blaylock/32/3235_2.png) [@Bob\_Blaylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bob_Blaylock)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2023, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-stop-using-singular-they-for-posters-who-have-an-established-gender/995306/310 "2023-12-31T04:24:09Z")
> [@eschrodinger](#): > > Trans women have been oppressed by being excluded from “women” instead of being considered a subgroup of all women. To fix that, you need something to call them, and the subgroup of women who are not them. It can’t be “women,” full stop.   How about calling them what they really are?:  Men Men are not, and never will be women, no matter what they believe, no matter what they pretend, no matter what they have done to themselves to try to become pseudo-women.  That’s just hard, immutable science.   And it is most certainly not _“oppression”_ to decline to recognize anyone as what they clearly are not.   Why should real women have any need for a _“cis…”_ prefix, to distinguish them from fake women? --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-stop-using-singular-they-for-posters-who-have-an-established-gender/995306)._