# Please white trash people..get your damn pitbulls put to sleep **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 24, 2012, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523 "2012-08-24T20:01:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Cement](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a5b964/32.png) [@Cement](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cement)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/41 "2012-08-24T21:27:54Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > I have no problems with pitbulls. But where I’m from a lot of the owners look like [this](http://www.nopainnogainmovie.com/images/mike%20dayem%202.jpg). Obviously it’s not about the dog. It’s more about him and the bad-ass attitude he’s trying to project. fucking finally someone knows what i’m talking about. For fuck sakes what took so long for you to show up? ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/42 "2012-08-24T21:28:37Z")
Fine. I will just have to settle for having my kids ride around on a Rottweiler, ‘cause thats classy bein’ European and all. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/43 "2012-08-24T21:33:12Z")
> [@purplehorseshoe](#): > > Aw, c’mon, a kid riding _any_ dog is cute! 😃 It is, however, [frowned upon](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0GsNhLt9Ds)in many establishments. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/44 "2012-08-24T21:35:59Z")
> [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > I know of at least one case where the dogs in a reported “pit bull attack” were, in fact, Jack Russell terriers. _Jane_ Russell terriers, now that’s cruelty. Poor things can’t go for a walk without getting scraped up painfully. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/45 "2012-08-24T21:45:18Z")
> [@Cement](#): > > I should mention that I’m a service man that comes knocking on your door in a uniform. I know your dog is so well behaved and loves everyone…but please for my peace of mind. “Put your dog in another room” > > Is that to much to ask for? I’ve been bit by these lovable mutts one to many times. Your use of ‘to’ when you mean ‘too’ is hurting my brain. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/46 "2012-08-24T21:48:09Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > Fine. I will just have to settle for having my kids ride around on a Rottweiler, ‘cause thats classy bein’ European and all. Good Dog, Carl! ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/47 "2012-08-24T21:50:12Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > I have no problems with pitbulls. But where I’m from a lot of the owners look like [this](http://www.nopainnogainmovie.com/images/mike%20dayem%202.jpg). Obviously it’s not about the dog. It’s more about him and the bad-ass attitude he’s trying to project. > [@Cement](#): > > fucking finally someone knows what i’m talking about. For fuck sakes what took so long for you to show up? Actually, unlike you, **Ibanez** isn’t advocating the wholesale slaughter of an entire breed. He, like many of the other posters, is commenting on the dogs’ owners. StG ---
**Author:** ![Cement](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a5b964/32.png) [@Cement](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cement)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/48 "2012-08-24T21:51:02Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Your use of ‘to’ when you mean ‘too’ is hurting my brain. it’s friccking horrible i know. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/49 "2012-08-24T21:56:49Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Yeah! And while we’re at it, let’s kill all of the Norse! That one guy just killed a bunch of kids - what is it going to take before we recognize what monsters they all are and just wipe them out once and for all?! And the Belgians! Miserable smug bastards. ---
**Author:** ![CrazyCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CrazyCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrazyCatLady)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/50 "2012-08-24T22:02:42Z")
> [@Tad](#): > > Frankly, I can’t find myself ever trusting a strangers dog completely, let alone one that was historically bred to be as dangerous as possible. A) If you trust _any_ dog, even your own, completely, you’re a damn fool. Every single dog ever born will bite under the right circumstances. Yes, even your very own dog that you’ve raised since weaning and given tons of obedience training and temperament testing. It’s just that what constitutes the right circumstances varies wildly by individual dog. B) Pit bulls weren’t bred to be “as dangerous as possible.” They were bred to be animal-aggressive, tenacious, and willing to ignore pain–the same as every single terrier breed ever developed. They were also bred to be human-submissive for the safety of the handlers, unlike smaller animal-aggressive, tenacious, game breeds like rat terriers and dachshunds. (And either of those breeds, if not properly trained and socialized, will eat you the fuck _up_ in a heartbeat. I was a vet tech for 10 years, and I’d rather deal with half a dozen pit bulls by myself than one asshole rat terrier or min pin with another person.) ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/51 "2012-08-24T22:07:18Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Considering the horrible history of John Wayne Gacy, do you also advocate the extermination of the human race? There are days when this seems like a fairly reasonable course of action. ---
**Author:** ![azraiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@azraiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/azraiel)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/52 "2012-08-24T22:07:41Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Yeah! And while we’re at it, let’s kill all of the Norse! That one guy just killed a bunch of kids - what is it going to take before we recognize what monsters they all are and just wipe them out once and for all?! 😕 But… _He_ was killing Norse. So does that make him a good guy or a bad guy? If he hadn’t killed Norse, then the operational trigger wouldn’t have been met. But he did, triggering the need for killin’ Norse. But in triggering the need for killin’ Norse he was, in fact, killin’ Norse. :head 'splodes: ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/53 "2012-08-24T22:33:13Z")
I know some of you are making light of this thread. But when bull breeds decide they are not happy with a human, it can be harrowing. [This video](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCo5w6qukJY&feature=player_embedded) will show you just how fearsome a bull breed can be when it becomes upset. These are dangerous animals, and the woman filming the dog is lucky to have survived. ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Neville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/54 "2012-08-24T23:25:57Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > where I’m from a lot of the owners look like [this](http://www.nopainnogainmovie.com/images/mike%20dayem%202.jpg). Obviously it’s not about the dog. It’s more about him and the bad-ass attitude he’s trying to project. OP, what do you think a person like this is going to do if he can’t get a pit bull? Do you think he’s going to say “darn, I can’t get a vicious dog, because there are no more pit bulls”? And then maybe get a toy poodle? I don’t think so. I think he’ll get some other large breed of dog, not spay or neuter it, and treat it badly, either out of ignorance or to deliberately make it more vicious. > [@A Monkey With A Gun](#): > > I know some of you are making light of this thread. But when bull breeds decide they are not happy with a human, it can be harrowing. This video will show you just how fearsome a bull breed can be when it becomes upset. These are dangerous animals, and the woman filming the dog is lucky to have survived. _Any_ large breed of dog can be dangerous, and can kill a person if so inclined. Different breeds have had that kind of reputation in different times and places. Pit bulls are not the only breed of dogs that can be vicious and dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/55 "2012-08-24T23:29:14Z")
> [@Tad](#): > > Generally speaking, pit bull breeds tend to be friendly to humans but really, really, really shitty to other dogs. But having said that, **in the USA pit bull breeds are responsible for the most human deaths every year** (and it’s been that way for about a decade). See **Suburban Plankton** ’s link in post #13 for an explanation. In the US, “pit bull” seems to be an official synonym for “dog who attacks someone.” Your dog bit somebody, therefore, it’s a pit bull. I’ve seen it on the news more than once; reporter’s talking about the vicious pit bull attack, footage of animal corralling said dog shows a shaggy long-nosed retriever mix. Still counts as a “pit bull attack” because that’s what the police called it. My sister has a little white fluffy dog and a young pit bull she got from her BIL when he moved and couldn’t keep him. The little white fluffy dog bullies the pit bull no end. He’s a giant sweetie who has won over a number of people who thought they were afraid of pit bulls. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/56 "2012-08-24T23:32:12Z")
> [@Anne\_Neville](#): > > _Any_ large breed of dog can be dangerous, and can kill a person if so inclined. Different breeds have had that kind of reputation in different times and places. Pit bulls are not the only breed of dogs that can be vicious and dangerous. You might want to click on the video before you comment. The woman is lucky to be alive. ---
**Author:** ![Cement](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a5b964/32.png) [@Cement](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cement)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/57 "2012-08-24T23:44:57Z")
we should all have labrador retrievers. Just my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2012, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/58 "2012-08-24T23:57:11Z")
> [@Cement](#): > > You have a point. Maybe i’m just tired of white trash looking crap people walking these murder-machines. > > Kill the white trash would be a good start I guess. There we go! All this talk of killing dog breeds was ridiculously over the top. But now we can discuss the idea of killing people at random, based only on socioeconomic and racial status. Much more reasonable. > [@CrazyCatLady](#): > > A) If you trust _any_ dog, even your own, completely, you’re a damn fool. Yes. They’re all bitches. Or sons of bitches. ---
**Author:** ![Lissla\_Lissar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@Lissla\_Lissar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissla_Lissar)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/59 "2012-08-25T00:49:29Z")
Oh, hey, we’re neighbours. Sort of. I’m in the Mortimer/Woodbine area, myself, not Victoria Park. No real opinion on pit bulls, though. Our next door neighbours had a rescue one, and he seemed sweet enough. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2012, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523/60 "2012-08-25T01:06:13Z")
> [@Cement](#): > > specifically the vic park > [@Ludovic](#): > > With that name, I’d _totally_ expect vicious pit bulls. Ten points to Gryffindor! 🙂 > [@Tad](#): > > Generally speaking, pit bull breeds tend to be friendly to humans but really, really, really shitty to other dogs. But having said that, in the USA pit bull breeds are responsible for the most human deaths every year (and it’s been that way for about a decade). In Canada that isn’t the case, however. > > It may be regarded as discriminatory, but I don’t trust pit bull breeds. Frankly, I can’t find myself ever trusting a strangers dog completely, let alone one that was historically bred to be as dangerous as possible. I don’t care even a little bit about people’s anecdotal “evidence” concerning how “sweet” their own pit bull is. It doesn’t change anything–facts are facts, and people are generally willing to admit how awful pit bull breeds tend to be with other animals. > > That isn’t letting other dogs off the hook, though. So many dogs just plain suck by nature, and worse still because of their moron trainer/owner. The only dogs I’ve ever really trusted have been Labradors and Golden retriever dogs, Newfoundlands, and St. Bernard’s. Otherwise: no trust from me. I’ve seen a golden retriever attack other dogs and humans at a dog park. You’ve bought into some other myths too. For starters, there aren’t enough fatal dog attacks to really bother debating – something like 23 to 28 per year recently, although it’s historically been around 17 averaged over the last 40-odd years – out of a country of 300+ million people. And that includes all causes, such as burglars killed by watchdogs. Saying one type is “responsible for the most deaths” is simply a plurality of that small number – it might be seven attacks in a given year. And identification of what breed actually bit (if the dog even belonged to a recognizable breed) is unscientific in the extreme – the Center for Disease Control has admitted that we neither know how many dogs of a given breed exist nor how accurate breed identification in these reports really is, and rejects the idea we can scientifically claim one type bites most. Pits are popular – that alone might distort the numbers. Furthermore, bite reports and claims are fraught with politics and braggadocio. There’s a natural tendency to claim a bite as being from the scariest animal most likely to impress one’s listeners – the same principle that’s behind almost every “past-life memory” being about one’s life as a princess or knight. It’s true that some pit bull lines have a tendency to be dog-reactive and in some cases dog-aggressive, but not all do. And there are plenty of reactive dogs in other breeds too; we just don’t hear about them as often. “Pit attack” grabs eyeballs and editors know it. But that aside, dog reactivity or aggression is not the same thing as aggression toward human beings. Your Labradors are duck-aggressive, but we don’t expect them to massacre humans; a pit bull can tell the difference between a human and a dog, trust me. We expect them to detect tiny traces of chemicals with their senses – they know you’re not a Pomeranian. There’s more to learn if you care to learn. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-white-trash-people-get-your-damn-pitbulls-put-to-sleep/632523.md?page=4)