# Plot to kidnap (MI Gov) Gretchen Whitmer **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 8, 2020, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506 "2020-10-08T16:53:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/21 "2020-10-08T18:55:57Z")
McVeigh’s sidekick in the OKC bombing was in the Michigan militia. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/22 "2020-10-08T19:04:12Z")
Whitmer press conference happening right now if you’re near a TV or have some other way to watch. If you’re interested in that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/23 "2020-10-08T19:16:45Z")
The Michigan Militia is a terrorist organization. I hope that the lot of them are sent to prison for life. Scum, every single one of them. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/24 "2020-10-08T20:03:13Z")
Good luck with that. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them pardoned and given official uniforms. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/25 "2020-10-08T20:08:16Z")
In the game Crusader Kings 3 which just released a short while ago, there was a bit of an ‘exploit’ at release: 1. Swear fealty to a powerful ruler, like the Emperor of Byzantium 2. Go down the Stewardship skill tree and pick up Meritocracy; this lets you fabricate a claim on your liege’s title. 3. Go down the Intrigue skill tree and unlock the ability to Abduct people through a Plot 4. Plot to abduct the Emperor of Byzantium. Eventually an event will pop up saying all in in place and you can send your agents to abduct the Emperor. 5. Before confirming the plot, declare war on the Emperor for your claims. You may be outnumbered 20 to 1, but that’s OK. 6. Abduction plot will fire off and you will take the Emperor of Byzantium prisoner. This gives you 100% war score and you can immediately enforce demands, winning your war and becoming Emperor. This was patched and it is now much, much harder (nearly impossible) to abduct a head of state while at war. Looks like someone didn’t read the patch notes! ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/26 "2020-10-08T20:26:37Z")
This was bound to happen in a state that allows stuff like this: > **[Heavily Armed Protesters Gather Again At Michigan Capitol To Decry...](https://www.npr.org/2020/05/14/855918852/heavily-armed-protesters-gather-again-at-michigans-capitol-denouncing-home-order)** > > Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has been threatened online with violence by opponents who have organized another demonstration at the State Capitol on Thursday. Why these people weren’t gathered up and thrown in jail is still a mystery to me. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/27 "2020-10-08T20:48:35Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > Why these people weren’t gathered up and thrown in jail is still a mystery to me. Look closely at the bits of exposed skin… the color might just be relevant. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/28 "2020-10-08T20:57:28Z")
Kidnap the Governor? Let me guess, it’s those crazy antifa people that Republicans are always talking about. Gotta be, right? I hear those guys are bad news, baby! ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/29 "2020-10-08T21:04:19Z")
Ahhh… the Voice of reason, as always. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/30 "2020-10-08T22:52:06Z")
> **[Alleged Ringleader of Mich. Gov. Kidnapping Plot Also Hates Trump: He’s an...](https://grabien.com/story.php?id=309333)** > > ‘He’s shown over and over and over again that he’s a tyrant’ **"Trump is not your friend** , dude. And it amazes me that people actually, like, believe that…" ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/31 "2020-10-08T22:55:15Z")
> [@deltogre](#): > > They were going to “Try her for treason?” On what grounds, and under what authority? while these people talk about America and the constitution, they have no real loyalty to these things. What they truly believe in and are loyal to is an ethnostate where in groups like themselves (men, conservatives, Christians, native born) are given dominion over everyone else and where their control over politics, society and the public arena is not challenged no matter what the public actually want. from that mindset, Whitmer is ‘treasonous’ because she is a female Democrat and she rejects the concept of an authoritarian white ethnostate. The KKK loved to talk about freedom, the constitution, patriotism, etc too. but same thing. ---
**Author:** ![deltogre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deltogre/32/5041_2.png) [@deltogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltogre)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/32 "2020-10-08T23:44:03Z")
That’s my point, exactly. The hypocrisy of their thought train is mind-boggling. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/33 "2020-10-09T01:46:01Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > > [@digs](#): > > > > My money’s on “White, except for their necks”… > > I’m betting we won’t be able to see their necks due to their neck beards. You know what? You guys are reverse racists claiming its a bunch of bearded white men who plotted this. I’m sure there are lots of black women and transgendered people in that group. Oh wait, my mistake. yeah it is a bunch of bearded white guys. > **[View: Mugshots for all 14 people charged after FBI uncovered plot to kidnap...](https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/10/08/view-mugshots-for-13-people-charged-after-fbi-uncovers-plot-to-kidnap-michigan-gov-whitmer/?fbclid=IwAR1O5Jw6uoDT6V8Q7HA0RjLYEyXExQB1TDjUdC34FHVV3t9QLf1MGAUkcgA)** > > Federal and state officials have charged 14 people after uncovering a plot to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and overthrow the Michigan government, FBI agents said. But to be fair, of the 10 mugshots, only 8 are bearded white men. One of the other white men has a hitler moustache (or an unfortunate shadow) and the last white man is clean shaven. Yay for diversity. ---
**Author:** ![Turki-lurki](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turki-lurki/32/7168_2.png) [@Turki-lurki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turki-lurki)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/34 "2020-10-09T01:50:19Z")
They will probably be nominated for federal judgeships. And confirmed by Mitch’s Mafia ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/35 "2020-10-09T01:51:02Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > and the last white man is clean shaven I think there’s a trace of facial hair. Must be a late bloomer. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/36 "2020-10-09T01:53:42Z")
Isn’t this literally treason? What kind of prison time are these asshats looking at? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/37 "2020-10-09T02:52:01Z")
[Fucklips responds to Whitmer.](https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/08/gretchen-whitmer-kidnapping-plot-donald-trump/5932007002/?fbclid=IwAR1rTTFfgtKh5CXoZF7RAj4kRC3st4f5PsrZzvImjvBiROuQC9vUfhVlnI8) > > [@Fucklips](#): > > > > Governor Whitmer of Michigan has done a terrible job. She locked down her state for everyone, except her husband’s boating activities. The Federal Government provided tremendous help to the Great People of Michigan. My Justice Department and Federal Law Enforcement announced today that they foiled a dangerous plot against the Governor of Michigan. Rather than say thank you, she calls me a White Supremacist—while Biden and Democrats refuse to condemn Antifa, Anarchists, Looters and Mobs that burn down Democrat run cities. I do not tolerate ANY extreme violence. Defending ALL Americans, even those who oppose and attack me, is what I will always do as your President! Governor Whitmer—open up your state, open up your schools, and open up your churches! ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/38 "2020-10-09T03:41:50Z")
> [@deltogre](#): > > Someone please explain how this mentality is acceptable at this point in history. They were going to “Try her for treason?” On what grounds, and under what authority? Sounds like Sovereign Citizen nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/39 "2020-10-09T03:43:54Z")
Not sure if this is behind the [NY Times paywall](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/08/opinion/militias-gretchen-whitmer.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage), but an excellent piece spelling out that core to the 2nd Amendment is a “well **regulated** militia”: QFT in the following In the swirls of disinformation that now pollute our political discourse, one is particularly dangerous: that private militias are constitutionally protected. Although these vigilante groups often cite the Second Amendment’s “well regulated militia” for their authority, history and Supreme Court precedent make clear that the phrase was not intended to — and does not — authorize private militias outside of government control. Indeed, these armed groups have no authority to call themselves forth into militia service; the Second Amendment does not protect such activity; and all [50 states](https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/our-work/addressing-the-rise-of-unlawful-private-paramilitaries/state-fact-sheets/)prohibit it. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/40 "2020-10-09T03:44:14Z")
That’s exactly what it is. This is what happens when we ignore – or worse, encourage – vigilantism. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506.md?page=3)