# Plot to kidnap (MI Gov) Gretchen Whitmer **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 8, 2020, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506 "2020-10-08T16:53:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/81 "2020-10-09T17:36:31Z")
> [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](#): > > Oh? Do tell: what am I “really” saying? I’m curious. Are you saying that we currently have liberty because the governor is scared for her life? Or are you arguing that we have tyranny because these goobers are scared of the governor? ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/82 "2020-10-09T17:41:38Z")
Eating at McDonald’s is not evil. Killing government officials and trying to justify it with those words is. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/83 "2020-10-09T17:45:59Z")
> [@Bill\_Door](#): > > It goes to show how fragile these snowflakes are. Dick Snyder poisoned thousands of people in Flint because it was cheaper to deliver water with harmful levels of lead and nobody showed up with guns to put a stop to it. These weaklings have to wear a mask to go to the Cracker Barrel and they go nuts. Well put. I think the reason for this is some people are programmed to believe anything wrong their side does is explainable and excusable, while anything (wrong OR right) the other side does is evil and needs to be opposed at any cost. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/84 "2020-10-09T17:47:56Z")
Do not that chins have nothing whatsoever to do with how good a person is. This is without doubt, one of the stupidest , most pointless cartoons I have seen. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/85 "2020-10-09T18:02:31Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > chins have nothing whatsoever to do with how good a person is. True enough, and carelessly offensive. Chin abnormalities can be caused by inbreeding, and I think that’s probably the intended insult here. > **[The Distinctive ‘Habsburg Jaw’ Was Likely the Result of the Royal Family’s...](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/distinctive-habsburg-jaw-was-likely-result-royal-familys-inbreeding-180973688/)** > > New research finds correlation between how inbred rulers of a notoriously intermarrying dynasty were and the prominence of their jutting jaw ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/86 "2020-10-09T18:26:05Z")
Paranoia alert: I was scheduled to attend a conference session this morning featuring two DHS officers. It was abruptly cancelled. Was this due to: - random reasons that have nothing to do with current events? - DHS agents being recalled into some stage of higher readiness because of the revealed Michigan plot? - DHS agents being recalled into preparations for some sort of anti-election maneuvers engineered by Secretary Wolf? FWIW the officers in question are security experts, not soldier types. But I admit I know nothing about how DHS actually works, so please fight my ignorance (and hopefully my paranoia). ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/87 "2020-10-09T18:26:45Z")
> [@Bill\_Door](#): > > These weaklings have to wear a mask to go to the Cracker Barrel and they go nuts. I believe I read somewhere that one of the ringleader’s grievances was that he couldn’t work out at his local gym. REVOLUTION!1!!!1 ---
**Author:** ![deltogre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deltogre/32/5041_2.png) [@deltogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltogre)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/88 "2020-10-09T18:39:23Z")
“Timothy McVeigh also ate at McDonalds. Does that make all McDonalds customers evil?” This is the absolute worst sort of reasoning, and it smacks of juvenile intent. Are you actually serious? Eating at McDonald’s, equated with mass murder and the language used to justify it… You are the type of person that can’t be reasoned with, and are the type of person who is the root of all of this strife. Examine your motives. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/89 "2020-10-09T18:40:33Z")
It’s not like these guys kneeled during the national anthem, cut them some slack. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/90 "2020-10-09T19:00:21Z")
The local sheriff from where these guys are from condemns… wait no, condemns isn’t right. He implies that they may have been justified to perform a citizens arrest. > ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/91 "2020-10-09T19:01:30Z")
Yeah, there’s good people on both sides, here. That sheriff is beyond belief. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/92 "2020-10-09T19:13:09Z")
> [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](#): > > “When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.” As others have pointed out, this wasn’t Thomas Jefferson, this was Throckminster P. Snodwhistle or some such happyfuck. He’s an early 20th century advocate for liberty in the US, which of course meant that he was extremely vocal about racist terrorism and the fact that women lacked the vote. KIDDING! AFAICT his pro-liberty activism said nothing about (for example) the Wilmington coup/race massacre. But he did edit a journal called the _American Anti-Suffragist_, so at least he spoke up on the issue of denying women the vote. He was pro-. In terms of famous people I want to quote on behalf of liberty, he’s not famous, I don’t want to quote him, and he wasn’t pro-liberty. He just didn’t want poor people getting uppity is all. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/93 "2020-10-09T19:21:35Z")
NC had a very short lived militia. Around 90% of them were officers. 🙂 They said they would not carry guns but the governor shut them down anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/94 "2020-10-09T19:55:00Z")
There are around 20 something anti-government groups operating in North Carolina per [SPLC](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/antigovernment). ---
**Author:** ![sweepkick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@sweepkick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sweepkick)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/95 "2020-10-09T20:03:25Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > What is the beardism (neck or otherwise) about? I noticed this look being adopted quite broadly by incel gun-wankers around the time that the movie American Sniper came out. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/96 "2020-10-09T20:16:52Z")
On a hunch, I decided to see if he was one of those “ constitutional sheriffs”. You know, the ones that the Bundy’s and other militiamen and SovCit types laud as the “highest office in the land”. Surprise Surprise, he’s not only a constitutional sheriff, he’s a bigwig constitutional sheriff. Their national Man of the Year in 2016. > **[Barry County Sheriff wins national 2016 Sheriff of the Year award](https://wbch.com/news/289138)** > > The Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, with the motto “Protect, Serve, Uphold and Defend,” named Barry County Sheriff Dar Leaf  “2016 Sheriff of the Yea... It’s enough to make me wonder if he had some involvement, it’s quite the coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/97 "2020-10-09T20:18:19Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Do not that chins have nothing whatsoever to do with how good a person is. Talk about missing the point… > [@Riemann](#): > > carelessly offensive. Oh, both the comic, and my posting of it, were crafted with great care. > [@Riemann](#): > > Chin abnormalities can be caused by inbreeding, and I think that’s probably the intended insult here. Not familiar with _Preacher_, I take it? No “probably” about it. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/98 "2020-10-09T20:40:45Z")
> [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](#): > > I don’t condone this kidnapping plot. It is a brave, bigly brave stand you take! ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/99 "2020-10-09T20:43:05Z")
Seriously, even a comic book character mocking another as a “chinless wonder” is now beyond the pale around here? > [@bobot](#): > > It is a brave, bigly brave stand you take! Remember to thank him personally, by name, every time you mention it. Seems to be something that is getting into fashion to demand. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plot-to-kidnap-mi-gov-gretchen-whitmer/922506/100 "2020-10-09T20:44:31Z")
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