# Pluribus (New Vince Gilligan show on AppleTV) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, apple\ **Created:** [November 7, 2025, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659 "2025-11-07T12:10:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2025, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/401 "2025-11-27T16:22:04Z")
> [@echoreply](#): > > What does this mean? It means the scene was shot in New Mexico where Super Beetles are easier to find. They didn’t go to Norway to film an ice hotel; so I really doubt they went to Paraguay to shoot a storage facility. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2025, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/402 "2025-11-27T16:33:15Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Perhaps the scene was filmed in the United States and not in Paraguay So we think the collective has secretly moved Manny to New Mexico? Maybe they hope he and Carol will distract each other from fighting the joined? No wonder he won’t eat the food. Last time he ate their food he woke up feeling like he’d been drugged, and the toilet water rotated the wrong direction. > [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > They didn’t go to Norway to film an ice hotel Next thing you’re going to tell me is that Carol wasn’t really on top of that building, they didn’t really close one direction of I-25 and I-40, and the blur wasn’t atmospheric conditions, but bad compositing. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2025, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/403 "2025-11-27T16:35:56Z")
In case it’s not blatantly obvious, I was suggesting that in filming in the United States, the production staff didn’t bother to seek out a Brazilian-made Beetle. In other words, the presence of a Super Beetle suggests nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2025, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/404 "2025-11-27T16:51:07Z")
Sometimes a Super Beetle is just a Super Beetle. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2025, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/405 "2025-11-27T17:52:46Z")
Under 99 % of circumstances I’d be 100 % convinced of that. But car choice means a lot to Gilligan … so only 98. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2025, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/406 "2025-11-27T17:57:40Z")
Except that this car was seen only in the distance and only briefly. I think that’s very different from Walter White’s Pontiac Aztek. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2025, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/407 "2025-11-27T19:23:54Z")
Just a thought: flying the drone into a light pole seems a little stupid for people who have all the knowledge of human history, so…is it possible they did that intentionally as a way to get Carol away from the house for some reason? Maybe so they could get to Helen’s body? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2025, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/408 "2025-11-27T19:25:17Z")
The drone was flying low because of the weight of the load so I think flying into the street light was unintentional. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2025, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/409 "2025-11-27T20:56:33Z")
Yup, they were just trying their best in an unideal situation. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2025, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/410 "2025-11-27T21:12:55Z")
Having an emotional snit ignoring her seems kind of adolescent. And what if Carol has a fling with anoter hive mind while they are on the break? ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2025, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/411 "2025-11-27T21:53:31Z")
The sex angle may come into play later on because Carol has admitted to being attracted to Zosia. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2025, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/412 "2025-11-27T22:20:08Z")
I’m with you. On last week’s podcast, they discuss how they had to make a NM storage facility look like it was shot in Paraguay by adding a lot of jungle-esque vegetation, etc. so the production most likely just used whatever car they had available to them, not thinking too hard about location availability. That episode wasn’t directed by Gilligan, so he even sounded surprised about what the production and art department had to do to dress up that scene / location. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2025, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/413 "2025-11-28T00:21:21Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Having an emotional snit ignoring her seems kind of adolescent. Well, the way they went about it did seem a bit childish, but they are very justified in staying away from Carol. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2025, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/414 "2025-11-28T00:40:56Z")
Remember that when Carol lashed out at Zosia earlier, the hive mind had a collective seizure and _millions_ died. So is it any wonder that they’re maintaining distance from her? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2025, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/415 "2025-11-28T00:46:27Z")
Yup, and that could be excused as unintentional but what she did to Zosia was entirely intended and must have hurt them quite a bit to cause the entire world to cry. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2025, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/416 "2025-11-28T00:54:43Z")
I don’t think their avoidance of her is childish at all. She tried to drug one of them and almost killed that person in order to find out a way to destroy the hive. They are unable to take hostile action against her, they always try to please her, but she consistently abuses their need to please her to hurt them and try to destroy them. Isolating themselves from her while still trying to fulfill her needs is the least hostile act they could possibly do while preserving their own existence. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2025, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/417 "2025-11-28T01:08:09Z")
The only proven imperative the hive has is for everyone to be happy. Carol literally made everyone in the world (save 12) cry. And, arguably, Carol is no less happy now that they have cleared out of her proximity. Win-Win. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2025, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/418 "2025-11-28T02:58:42Z")
Carol’s dilemma is she doesn’t want the Others back - she wants Zosia back and some allies to help cross-examine the Others and figure out a cure. The Others don’t want that, so it’ll take some doing to find out if any of them (Manu?) have received the message and replied. Discovering the amber liquid is their food, and even whatever Carol saw may be all a ruse. In my book of ethics, allowing Carol to come to the (possibly) wrong conclusions and wasting her time is not lying. Only Zosia has been worthy company for Carol, and seemed to get into some kind of “chill out” mode when they were having vodka grenades. Drugging her for info is perhaps understandable, yet if we can believe Patrick Fabian it was sad, yet no hard feelings. Maybe Carol can try to get Zosia to “chill out” while trying to find (and bring back) the individual “this organism” once was is the mystery of the show. And to paraphrase Sting, that bed’s too big for Carol without Zosia. And although I wouldn’t mind a “bottle episode” showing what The Others do, I’m not really expecting to see first-hand any Others POV. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2025, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/419 "2025-11-28T03:09:44Z")
Perhaps the Others have set Carol up by leaving clues behind, giving her a mystery to solve, and allowing her to chase down a nonexistent “cure” because they know it will keep her…happy? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2025, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/420 "2025-11-28T03:58:47Z")
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