# Pluribus (New Vince Gilligan show on AppleTV) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, apple\ **Created:** [November 7, 2025, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659 "2025-11-07T12:10:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2025, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/761 "2025-12-17T13:58:25Z")
Get Lalo Salamanca (Tony Dalton) to do the voice. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2025, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/762 "2025-12-17T14:23:00Z")
That would be the opposite of reassuring ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2025, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/763 "2025-12-17T15:43:11Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > The stupid is easy to create though: the mechanism that individual human brains work as part of one meta-mind with apparent instantaneous communication between brain units across the globe, be it via some quantum spooky action or whatevs, works to also connect this earth hive mind to all other hive minds that have ever existed. Really once we accept the former, which we must, the latter ain’t much more a stretch. That’s an interesting point, I hadn’t thought of that. We know nothing about how any of that is supposed to work, and maybe it’ll never really be explained. I’d like to think that it’s still bound to the laws of physics. We know spooky action at a distance can’t really communicate any meaningful information. We also know that information can’t travel faster than C, otherwise it breaks past light-cones and fucks with the notion of causation, to say the least. I’m sure Gilligan knows all this (but maybe he doesn’t care, for story’s sake). Then again, if the aliens do have FTL technology, then why broadcast the message at C? And if the Plerbs can communicate with other, off-world hives (assuming and including the original creator of the virus), then why don’t they know who exactly sent it, or how it works? > [@JacobSwan](#): > > That scratchcard win could come in real handy then? Or Carol could make a list of all the things she’s done wrong and use the winnings to make amends. I’m hoping Carol eventually persuades him that his way of thinking about material possessions is archaic and very moot at this point. If everyone on earth forfeited their belongings, in every conceivable way, the idea of “property” loses all meaning, especially to them. Bully for him for hanging on to the notion, but it’s untenable and pointless for the foreseeable future. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2025, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/764 "2025-12-17T15:47:52Z")
The best take on the show I’ve read in my news feed today: > **[‘Pluribus’ Isn't the Show We Thought We Were Watching](https://www.gq.com/story/pluribus-isnt-the-show-we-thought-we-were-watching)** > > What looked at first like a sci-fi metaphor for the AI takeover has already become something far more complicated. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2025, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/765 "2025-12-17T15:49:34Z")
Seconded. I just read that this morning. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2025, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/766 "2025-12-17T15:58:45Z")
Un poco de espacio pa’ mí, pa’ ti, arriba y arriba Y arriba, y arriba, por ti seré Por ti seré, por ti seré ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2025, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/767 "2025-12-17T16:02:09Z")
Another random thought I had about the story so far, is I thought Carol’s sleuthing into the milk cartons was actually pretty competent, knowing what we know about her character. She got to the bottom of something in a smart way, but she know’s she’s hitting a wall when it comes to the science of everything. She did what she could to analyze the amber liquid, even going so far as to test its pH (and chlorine content, which I thought was hilarious, cuz she was clearly using a swimming pool kit. Adorable). So, that’s the extent of her scientific capabilities. Still, it got her somewhere, but she know’s it’s not enough. So, I’m wondering, with Manousos being a HAM enthusiast (at the very least), maybe he has a technical or scientific background? Something to fill in her gaps in this manner? No Walter White, but at least somebody who has just enough scientific understanding to go further in finding a way to reverse everything. If the Plurbs communicate via EM waves, does he know enough about faraday cages? Would that work to cut a Plerb off from the hive? Could it be permanent(?)… ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2025, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/768 "2025-12-17T16:08:14Z")
Faraday cage is definitely one of the first things I’d have thought of trying if I were Carol (after, you know, asking them lots and lots of questions and knowing 1000x more than I could figure out by myself) ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2025, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/769 "2025-12-17T16:22:55Z")
Yo no soy marinero Yo no soy marinero ni capitan Soy basurero municipal 🎶 (To the tune of “La bamba”) “I’m not a sailor” “I’m not a sailor nor a captain” “I’m a municipal garbage man” ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/770 "2025-12-19T03:13:29Z")
Don’t fall for them, Carol! How did the Others know Carol was still plotting against them? 7 billion people can’t be wrong or something like that? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/771 "2025-12-19T03:59:01Z")
Lots confirmed today, and questions answered. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/772 "2025-12-19T05:27:24Z")
The mango ice cream story was interesting. We know Zosia came from Morocco, not Poland. She was relating the memory of another other, but Carol doesn’t know that. Are the Others manipulating Carol into making false assumptions without technically lying? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/773 "2025-12-19T08:27:05Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > We know Zosia came from Morocco, not Poland. We know that she was in Morocco. However Zosia is the Polish version of Sophia and the actress in question is [Polish-American and was born in Poland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karolina_Wydra). There probably is no deception on this little bit 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/774 "2025-12-19T10:39:01Z")
I’m glad that Carol hasn’t totally given up. She was lonely enough to consider suicide, so she needed to reach out to maintain sanity, but she still recognizes the need to fix the world. Clear to me that both sides were trying to manipulate the other. Great acting all around. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/775 "2025-12-19T14:42:40Z")
**SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 8 – CHARM OFFENSIVE** **============================================** The episode is titled “Charm Offensive”, so they gotta be playing her, big time, right? Also, got some confirmation on some of the more sci-fi elements and learned some things: –They do communicate via EM waves. – They’re still not sure how it works, exactly. But Zosia said that humans have some latent ability to transmit and receive signals. –They’re not in contact with the hive-of-origin (an actual exoplanet [Kepler-22b](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler-22b), in the Cygnus Constellation / twice the radius of earth and most likely a water-world / ~640 LYs away). They have no real information about them, and don’t expect to get any. –They’re planning on building a massive radio telescope (or maybe an array?) to transmit the “gift” back out into space. And Carol wrote on her whiteboard that they plan to use all the power on earth to do that. –Carol is hot for teacher. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/776 "2025-12-19T16:52:21Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > The episode is titled “Charm Offensive”, so they gotta be playing her, big time, right? Vince loves his double meaning episode titles. Carol thinks she’s charming them to get info, but really it’s the other way around. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/777 "2025-12-19T17:23:54Z")
Here’s Carol’s Whiteboard list thus far. Markdown apparently has no syntax for underlines yet there’s only a couple of them. What I Know About Them [top left margin on it’s own] Chaperones Family? Friends? [top right margin on it’s own] Anger = Danger 1. Eager to please - could give me an A-Bomb!! 2. Can’t kill - not a fly. Can’t pick an apple - windfall only. MASS STARVATION (right margin) no pets. Animal not affected by signal 3. Don’t play faves, love all jerks same 4. (STEM CELLS) \*\*\* Trying to change me! \*\*\* (Biological Imperative) (Need My Consent) 5. Weirdly honest - can’t lie 6. They Eat People - “windfall” (next two lines bracketed “Connected”) 7. Communal Sleeping/cuddle/body heat (Sex? heat .. energy efficient) 1. Communicate via body’s electromagnetic field (Radio? Telepathy) 2. (efficiency?) - Trains to transport food 3. Individuals feel everyone 4. (ocean world) Signal from Kepler-22b (640 light years from Earth) (No idea what Keplers are like???) 5. Building GIANT ANTENNA!!! using all power of world to send signal (How ??) She added everything after 5 this episode. Oddly she did not include the overnight addition of Manuosos to make 13. He’d be interested in that and could perhaps theorize the cause. Also, one antenna will have some use in “paying the gift forward”. Yet any potential receivers will only get a brief signal peaking every 24 hours. Better to loop around the equator with dishes, or as I once suggested, build a massive array in orbit around the Sun and that will be a searchlight. Looks like someone is tending to the football field. Dunno how someone can work the scoreboard so quickly, yet the “You suck, Carol” was a cute choice. Dunno how they’ll translate this knowledge, yet by next episode I’d like to see Manuosos harmlessly setting up his HAM “hobby” kit somewhere. Dunno what they can do with the handheld HAMs except try and jam Zosia. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/778 "2025-12-19T19:47:39Z")
Tha answer to the train question (food distribution) seemed…incomplete? ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/779 "2025-12-19T19:48:52Z")
Seems like it was her way of saying “It’s how we evenly distribute dead bodies around to provide HSP”. Not a lie, also not getting into the nitty-gritty of dead bodies. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2025, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/780 "2025-12-19T20:02:18Z")
I’m guessing Carol, now that she’s caught the feels for Zosia, will have a dilemma about whether or not help Manousos save the world, after all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659.md?page=40)