# Pluribus (New Vince Gilligan show on AppleTV) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, apple\ **Created:** [November 7, 2025, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659 "2025-11-07T12:10:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2026, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1081 "2026-01-04T21:16:55Z")
That sounds like a not-very-Gilliganesque happy ending. ---
**Author:** ![EdwardFound](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4af34b/32.png) [@EdwardFound](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EdwardFound)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2026, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1082 "2026-01-04T21:35:52Z")
However Hive Carol manifests, she will hate it. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2026, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1083 "2026-01-04T21:38:05Z")
But if Carol takes over, perhaps she relaxes the rules about what they can eat. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2026, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1084 "2026-01-04T21:56:38Z")
With current rumors of anything from 3 to 10 seasons the story is going to need to change, with things we can’t even predict happening. Otherwise it will just be a Gilligan’s Island of Carol almost breaks the hive mind, but doesn’t, and Carol almost gets infected, but doesn’t. I could even see defeating the others in another season or two, and then a few more seasons of living with the fallout. Carol getting infected and then 3 seasons of the plurbs silently building an antenna seems like something VG might do, but I’m guessing Apple would object. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2026, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1085 "2026-01-04T22:01:11Z")
> [@EdwardFound](#): > > However Hive Carol manifests, she will hate it. Well, it beats working at Cinnabon. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2026, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1086 "2026-01-04T22:06:30Z")
> [@echoreply](#): > > Carol getting infected and then 3 seasons of the plurbs silently building an antenna seems like something VG might do, but I’m guessing Apple would object. They laughed at Jules Verne… so maybe if he goes straight/serious, people will at VG too? The show does have comedy elements, after all. > [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Well, it beats working at Cinnabon. But what about working at a Cinnabon… with millions of dollars in diamonds in a stash back home? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2026, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1087 "2026-01-04T22:57:28Z")
I mean, didn’t 2 seasons get bought up front? I would really hope this show is produced roughly annually so we can see it move along. I don’t think Carol will be joined, but I could see them getting to the South American guy. I guess the furthest into the future we saw was the little girl joining by choice and breathing in that liquid nitrogen type stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2026, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1088 "2026-01-04T23:49:47Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I guess the furthest into the future we saw was the little girl joining by choice and breathing in that liquid nitrogen type stuff. That little girl is a 23 year old actor and director. Just saying. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2026, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1089 "2026-01-05T00:08:27Z")
Whatever the age of the actor, I believe the _character_ was meant to be a teenager. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2026, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1090 "2026-01-05T00:41:23Z")
Yeah, she was supposed to be 14. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2026, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1091 "2026-01-05T00:48:31Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > That little girl is a 23 year old actor and director. Just saying. I kind of wondered when I wrote that, actually. I was under the impression she was a kid when I saw it, but I really wasn’t sure. Who is she? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2026, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1092 "2026-01-05T00:59:21Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Who is she? Newly minted actor, fresh out of film school more or less - [Darinka Arones](https://www.darinkart.com/about). I though she did a good job in-show (casting always seems to be good on Gilligan projects - he or his people seem to have a knack with casting lesser knowns/unknowns) and from my cheap seats seems pretty talented in her non-acting endeavors as well. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2026, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1093 "2026-01-05T01:06:35Z")
She has very expressive eyebrows. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2026, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1094 "2026-01-08T05:12:37Z")
I just finished watching the series and I liked it. I didn’t read this whole thread, however. > [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > And I do hope that we see some more factions develop (I honestly don’t know which side Vegas guy might come down on, but I would be surprised if _someone_ didn’t turn militant anti-Carolist and ask We to arm them so that they could save We, similar to how the group bad been trying to talk through how they might help solve the food shortage for We). My speculation is that there might be a schism within the hive mind (like the geth in the Mass Effect games or the vampires in the TV show The Strain). ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1095 "2026-01-09T02:30:50Z")
News you can use. [https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2026/01/08/what-pluribus-reveals-about-economics?giftId=MjFhMjc1YzUtNzA1NS00NzZlLWEzNDQtYjYxMjkxMmQ4Zjc4&utm\_campaign=gifted\_article](https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2026/01/08/what-pluribus-reveals-about-economics?giftId=MjFhMjc1YzUtNzA1NS00NzZlLWEzNDQtYjYxMjkxMmQ4Zjc4&utm_campaign=gifted_article) ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1096 "2026-01-09T22:56:47Z")
Apparently free access to the article has expired. What was the gist of it? ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1097 "2026-01-09T23:05:05Z")
The article looks at Plurb economics. **Excerpt (edited)** Hayekian economists… believed central planning would always have two flaws. It could never harness tacit knowledge: the habits and instincts that managers and innovators cannot always put into words. Nor could it benefit from the clash between entrepreneurs, each with their own vision of success, and their own skin in the game. The alien virus in “Pluribus” solves the first of these two problems. The Joined share far more with each other than they can articulate. In one scene Carol plays croquet with a friendly Plurb called Zosia. Although she has never played the game before, Zosia now has the combined expertise of every living champion. In another scene, a former waitress at TGIFs, still in uniform, expertly pilots a passenger jet. What the Plurbs cannot replicate is true rivalry. Its absence no doubt spares their economy from waste, redundancy and foolishness. But it also limits the scope for progress. However much wisdom they collectively possess, the Joined will also need to learn from trial and error. Although they can presumably run polite, collegial experiments to test alternative economic strategies, none of them can pursue a strategy with the kind of blinkered, eccentric conviction that characterises many of capitalism’s most successful entrepreneurs. The economy often makes progress through rare, successful attempts to defy collective wisdom. And to defy collective wisdom, it helps to be immune to it. “Pluribus” thus provides an interesting prism through which to view the economy… Most macroeconomic models, after all, rely on the idea of a “representative agent”, modelling an entire population as if it acts as one. “We continue to treat economic aggregates as though they correspond to economic individuals”… In many models of the economy, the population is treated as if they had Joined. That assumption allows economists to concentrate on other things. It also makes their equations easier to handle. Introducing heterogeneity yields models that are awkward and messy, if closer to reality. As Carol finds out, life seems easier when you accept the Plurbs. But such contentment is illusory. They are not willing to let her remain herself. If she does not want to blind herself to that truth, she will have to find a way to turn the aggregates back into individuals. You can’t beat them unless you unjoin them. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2026, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1098 "2026-01-15T20:04:20Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > It’s a bomb. Apple requested a stronger finish than what Vince and the writers had planned apparently. Apple insisted on a box that Carol says is a bomb. The writers haven’t decided yet. Not to say that the speculation isn’t fun but we’re probably not going to find out for a few years if VG’s past style is any indication. Bottom line, know one knows yet, not even Vince. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2026, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1099 "2026-01-15T20:07:12Z")
Why wouldn’t it be a bomb? She says it’s a bomb. It’s the right size for a small nuke. It calls back to a notable exchange in earlier episodes. I suppose the writers could be throwing us a curve ball, but I see not a single reason in the characterizations or dialogue to suggest it’s anything but a bomb. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2026, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659/1100 "2026-01-15T20:09:49Z")
It might be. Then again the writers may come up with something super clever to make it something else. It’s not written yet. It doesn’t exist. It’s Schrodinger’s bomb. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659.md?page=54) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pluribus-new-vince-gilligan-show-on-appletv/1024659.md?page=56)