# Pointy-headed liberal **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370 "2009-08-31T17:11:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/1 "2009-08-31T17:11:04Z")
After reading once again the cliché of “pointy-headed liberals”, I have to ask: What does that mean? Why would a liberal’s head be pointy? ---
**Author:** ![muttrox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a8b319/32.png) [@muttrox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muttrox)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/2 "2009-08-31T17:12:40Z")
Pointy-headed means intellectual. Not sure why. This plays off the stereotype of liberals as policy wonk robots, as Gore and Kerry were often percieved. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/3 "2009-08-31T17:16:55Z")
I think it comes from, or at least was popularized by George Wallace. In his speeches, he fairly often referred to “pointy-headed intellectuals who can’t park their bicycles straight.” ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/4 "2009-08-31T17:22:34Z")
Was Oblio a liberal? > **[The Point (1971) ⭐ 7.5 | Animation, Adventure, Family](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067595/)** > > 1h 14m | Not Rated How about Zippy the Pinhead? Seriously, I suspect that “pointy-headed” is intended to imply that one is like a pinhead – definitely not a compliment. And these days, not PC. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/5 "2009-08-31T17:24:59Z")
I thought it was a dunce cap reference. ---
**Author:** ![muttrox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a8b319/32.png) [@muttrox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muttrox)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/6 "2009-08-31T17:26:00Z")
It definitely means intellectual. The origin seems to fit well with the George Wallace theory also. > **[Definition of POINTY-HEAD](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pointy-head)** > > intellectual… See the full definition ``` * Main Entry: pointy–head * Pronunciation: \ˈpȯin-tē-ˌhed\ * Function: noun * Date: 1968 ``` usually disparaging : intellectual — pointy–head·ed -ˌhe-dəd\ adjective > **[Pointy-head Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/pointy-head)** > > Pointy-head definition, an intellectual See more. –adjective Slang: Disparaging. 1. stupid; idiotic. 2. intellectual, esp. in a self-important or impractical way. Origin: 1970–75, Americanism ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/7 "2009-08-31T17:33:44Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Seriously, I suspect that “pointy-headed” is intended to imply that one is like a pinhead – definitely not a compliment. And these days, not PC. A pin-head is an idiot, and so the insult makes sense. Small head==stupid. It’s a lot less obvious how “pointy headed” is supposed to mean a pushy intellectual. ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/8 "2009-08-31T17:34:07Z")
Wouldn’t an intellectual be the last person to have a pointy head? The “egg-head” stereotype for intellectuals seems more like it. ---
**Author:** ![Superfluous\_Parentheses](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Superfluous\_Parentheses](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superfluous_Parentheses)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/9 "2009-08-31T17:37:47Z")
> [@Walloon](#): > > Wouldn’t an intellectual be the last person to have a pointy head? The “egg-head” stereotype for intellectuals seems more like it. So you’re one of those “pointy-end-down” people, huh? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/10 "2009-08-31T17:38:39Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > A pin-head is an idiot, and so the insult makes sense. Small head==stupid. It’s a lot less obvious how “pointy headed” is supposed to mean a pushy intellectual. Because, as Wallace was referring to it, these were “intellectuals” from Harvard or some school like that, or government bureaucrats in Washington, who could write 500 page papers on how to solve the race problem, or the crime problem, or the unemployment problem, or whatever, but weren’t even able to park a bicycle straight. They are idiots, but they’re idiots with advanced degrees who everybody thinks are smart. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/11 "2009-08-31T17:44:56Z")
A Google Books [search](http://books.google.com/books?id=iC8DAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA62&dq=%22pointy+headed%22&lr=&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=1800&as_maxm_is=12&as_maxy_is=1968&num=20&as_brr=0#v=onepage&q=%22pointy%20headed%22&f=false) turns up "pointy headed"in the May, 1960 _Baseball Digest_. There, it seems to refer to geeks who hang around ballparks asking for autographs game after game. Google Books doesn’t turn up much between that and 1968 or so, when the Wallace usage starts getting mentioned. It might be unrelated. Or maybe there was a sports-related use (meaning something like “dork”) that Wallace helped to cross over to everyday use. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/12 "2009-08-31T18:18:22Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Because, as Wallace was referring to it, these were “intellectuals” from Harvard or some school like that, or government bureaucrats in Washington, who could write 500 page papers on how to solve the race problem, or the crime problem, or the unemployment problem, or whatever, but weren’t even able to park a bicycle straight. They are idiots, but they’re idiots with advanced degrees who everybody thinks are smart. Maybe, that still seems to be a different animal then a “pin-head” though. Plus I always though a “pin-head” had a head that was the normal shape, but really small, like the small round piece of plastic on the _non-pointy_ end of a pin. So I’m kinda skeptical that’s the origin of the phrase. Anyone know if Will Safire’s columns are online somewhere. He writes about political phrases and was a conservative speech writer at around the same time the phrase was in peak use. ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/13 "2009-08-31T18:35:26Z")
Points were associated with sharp pencils, the hallmark of the pre-computerized geek. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/14 "2009-08-31T18:44:28Z")
Ah, I think I’m getting closer. Scientists at Los Alamos during the original Manhatten project and up to the present were apparenlty called “coneheads” by the non-Sciencey personnel at the labs. Conehead apparently had pretty much the exact same meaning as being “pointy headed”, I bet that’s the origin of refering to intellectual types with their heads in the clouds as being pointy headed. Of course, it also just kicks the question down the road: why were Los Alamos Scientists called “coneheads”? ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/15 "2009-08-31T18:48:02Z")
> [@](#): > > Of course, it also just kicks the question down the road: why were Los Alamos Scientists called “coneheads”? WAG - they were obsessed with building a device that would fit in the nose cone of a missile? ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/16 "2009-08-31T18:59:12Z")
Actually, I’m not so certain calling a Los-Alamos scientist a “conehead” goes back as far as I said in the earlier post. I thought I’d read about the term being used during the original bomb program, but I can’t find a cite. I’ll look around some more later. The term is certainly in use _now_, but that might just be from the SNL sketch or it might have been inspired by the pointy-headed phrase, rather then the other way around. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/17 "2009-08-31T19:00:57Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > WAG - they were obsessed with building a device that would fit in the nose cone of a missile? Not in Los Alamos they weren’t. The first time I heard this was from Wallace, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he modified egghead, which was used in politics to refer to Adlai Stevenson when he ran for president. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/18 "2009-08-31T20:59:44Z")
I found the phrase in a _Time_ [movie review](http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,872279,00.html) from 1961. The review pans the Pat Boone movie _All Hands on Deck_, apparently a farce set in the Navy. The review refers to one character as the “pointy-headed” captain of the ship, who spends his days fishing but never catches anything other than a bra. I take it that the captain either had a physically pointy head (although the actor who played him, [Dennis O’Keefe](http://www.digitaldeliftp.com/DigitalDeliToo/Images/Dennis-O%27Keefe-1.png)looks pretty non-pointy to me) or “pointy-headed” meant something like “ineffectual” or “useless” to the reviewer. Another _Time_ [article](http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,895915-3,00.html) from 1962 refers to helmetted skiers looking like “pointy-headed space people”, but that appears to be a purely physical description. So, I’m still leaning toward the idea tha Wallace helped shift the usage from “dorky” or “useless” to “dorky and useless intellectual”. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/19 "2009-08-31T22:51:06Z")
I’m thinking it comes from [pinhead](http://media.photobucket.com/image/%252522pinhead%252522%20microcephalic/blackcanary2000/Pinhead_schlitzie-2-small.jpg), and that **Captain Amazing** has it right. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2009, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370/20 "2009-09-01T01:41:36Z")
The OED’s take on it. _pointy-head_ noun and adj. > [@](#): > > n. > > ``` > 1. depreciative. A person with mental retardation; a stupid person, a moron. > > ``` > > 1946 Nashua (New Hampsh.) Tel. 16 Dec. 11/1 ‘What is ita cat?’ I asked. ‘Nope,’ he said.., ‘a Zip.’..I saw a little pin-headed freak… Those pygmies with heads like inverted ice cream cones used to be popular sideshow attractions… I suggested he get rid of the pointy-head. 1963 Winnipeg Free Press 12 Jan. 6/2 You’ll find him among the intellectuals and you’ll find him with the pointy-heads. 1973 J. DI MONA Last Man at Arlington (1974) 178 Idiots… Pointy heads that didn’t know how to operate. > > 1. A supposed expert or intellectual, esp. one who is out of touch with practical matters. > > 1969 Playboy Dec. 230 There are pointy-heads who prefer Joseph Conrad or William Faulkner. 1972 Times 5 May 6/3 Mr Wallace..dismissed it quickly at the end of his address as ‘the most callous, asinine, stupid thing that was ever conceived by some pointy-head in Washington DC’. 1990 W. SHEED Essays in Disguise II. xi. 151 Nixon was simply taking a last swipe at the pointy heads by sneering, like a school kid, at their prissy accents. 1993 R. LIMBAUGH See, I told you So xi. 133 You have to assume that fuzzy-headed academicians, the sandal-clad theoreticians, and the nearsighted pointy-heads in this administration have never held jobs in the real world. 2001 N.Y. Times Mag. 11 Feb. 68/2 People, in short, do not behave like the pointy heads say they should. > B. adj. (attrib.). a. Stupid, idiotic. b. That is a pointy-head; having pretensions to superior expertise but without practical sense. c. Technically or academically sophisticated. > > 1960 Salisbury (Maryland) Times 14 May 6/5 They put the sons of fathers into office in the pointy-head illusion that they are voting for the fathers. 1968 Bucks County (Pa.) Courier Times 5 Aug. 5/6, I think we should take all those pointy-head intellectuals with briefcases and toss them into the Potomac River. 1972 Guardian 21 Feb. 2/4 George Wallace..attacked Muskie, Humphrey, and his other ‘pointy-head’ opponents. 2000 Daily Tel. 5 Dec. 34/2 The tool for measuring this is a pointy-head theory called discounted cash flow analysis, which also takes account of inflation. And, as _pointy-headed_, adj. > [@](#): > > 1. Having low intelligence; idiotic, stupid. Now rare. > > 1950 N.Y. Times Bk. Rev. 4 June 14/2 His successful defense of pointy-headed hoodlums with pathological trigger fingers. 1964 Salisbury (Maryland) Times 24 Apr. 6/2 Makes 'em look like pointy-headed adolescents with I.Q. minus. > > 1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of a ‘pointy-head’; intellectual, rarefied, abstruse. > > 1968 Science 25 Oct. 436/1 Hardly a day goes by that Wallace fails to speak of ‘pointy-headed professors who can’t park their bicycles straight’. 1975 N.Y. Times 12 Nov. 42/2 Let the dust gather on the pointy-headed bureaucrats and all the other props from yesteryear. 1995 Minnesota Monthly Jan. 34/2 Upcoming courses range from the pointy-headed (‘Poetry and the Changing Nature of the Book and of Literacy’) to the practical..and the family-oriented. 2005 Tennessean (Nexis) 20 Apr. 1C, Anshel is no pointy-headed scholar who has never stepped outside the ivory tower of academia. He played college baseball. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pointy-headed-liberal/508370.md?page=2)