# Police Body Cams **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 11, 2023, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955 "2023-09-11T22:50:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/21 "2023-09-13T02:40:17Z")
Just saw this article today > **[Seattle officer captured on bodycam saying woman struck by another cop 'had...](https://www.king5.com/amp/article/news/local/seattle/body-cam-seattle-officer-deadly-collision/281-65ad013b-ef82-4220-9d4c-361f5114c834)** > > The officer was traveling at 74 miles per hour in a 25 mph zone while responding to an emergency call when the cruiser struck the woman. > The officer, who has not been charged with a crime, was responding to an emergency call and was in a 25 mph zone at the time of the collision. Kandula had the right of way and was struck by the cruiser at approximately 63 mph, according to the report. > > In the body camera footage published on Monday, Seattle officer Daniel Auderer, who was not involved in the January collision, was captured in the video saying, “but she is dead” and laughing while on the phone. > > **“She was 26 anyway,” Auderer said in the video. “She had limited value.”** ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/22 "2023-09-13T02:59:06Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > And those anecdotes prove what? That there are a few? There are about 700,000 law enforcement officers in the USA. Before those vids prove anything, you’d have to come up with at least 7000 of them. So you don’t count the ones that look the other way, or even _don’t_ look the other way but don’t bother to report it? Do those count as Good cops, or Bad cops? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/23 "2023-09-13T03:01:34Z")
“Auderer is the vice president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild, the largest law enforcement labor union in the Northwest.”, according to your link. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/24 "2023-09-13T05:34:14Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So you don’t count the ones that look the other way, or even _don’t_ look the other way but don’t bother to report it? Do those count as Good cops, or Bad cops? Look the other way for what? Getting a free cup of coffee? Getting payola from a drug cartel? No, cops don’t rat cops out for minor things, just like employees in cube farms don’t rat out Bob who takes home pens for his kids. They do take corruption seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/25 "2023-09-13T07:17:35Z")
Really? The cases where the bad cop is turned in by the supposedly good cops are pretty damn hard to find, in my opinion. Also, in regard to police body cams, the Portland Police fought tooth-and-nail for _years_ against their implementation, finally agreeing to a 60 day trial period that started this August. Only 150 Portland Police officers will be testing the camera. Would you like to know what a major sticking point was? The PoPo wanted the right to review the camera footage _before_ writing out their reports after incidents. You know-Just to get their stories “straight”. 🙄 [Portland’s long-awaited police body camera program launches this week: Here are 7 things to know - oregonlive.com](https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2023/08/portlands-long-awaited-police-body-camera-program-launches-this-week-here-are-7-things-to-know.html) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/26 "2023-09-13T07:21:03Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No, cops don’t rat cops out for minor things, just like employees in cube farms don’t rat out Bob who takes home pens for his kids. _Nobody_ here, when talking about bad cops, is referring to a cup of coffee or a pen. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/27 "2023-09-13T10:59:07Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Hardly. There are by no means that many officer involved shootings and most of them are when the perp is shooting back. How do you know? Independent studies have found that most officer-involved shootings never even get reported to the authorities. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Yeah, that was pretty bad. But if you want the vid, you can see the officer panicked, shot in fear. he likely actually thought that guy was a danger (he had a knife, sure, but was in a car). People dont think straight when they panic. OK, so maybe it’s only second-degree murder, not first. If someone panics for no reason and shoots someone, they’re still responsible. > [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > Yeah, I guess it’s hard to define when human psychology and sociology are involved. With respect to herd mentality, mob rule, family first, etc., is every single participant “bad”? Tough call, but that’s what I think basically is happening when 20 people conspire to cover up the bad actions of 1. There’s a school district around here that recently had a scandal that ended with six teachers resigning in disgrace. One of them actually did something bad (though of course, not as bad as murdering a student). The other five didn’t: They just knew about the first one and didn’t say anything. Those six were all bad teachers. Teachers manage to police ourselves. The police themselves… don’t. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/28 "2023-09-13T11:35:54Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If I know that someone is stealing from the company and I look the other way, am I a good employee In that situation it’s unlikely your boss is stealing as well. It’s also unlikely your boss and coworkers use anabolic steroids, carry guns, and associate with criminals. Being a cop is more akin to working for organized crime. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/29 "2023-09-13T20:19:29Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Independent studies have found that most officer-involved shootings never even get reported to the authorities. What authorities? Of course the shooting is reported to their own department, and the coroner has to hold an inquest. Do you somehow thing the police just buries the bodies in the woods or something? Measure\_for\_Measure provided a cite over in the “Police and their weapons” thread- _Even in New York City, most cops retire without firing their weapon on the job. From the 2008 Rand Corporation report, Evaluation of the New York City Police Department Firearm Training and Firearm-Discharge Review Process. Emphasis added:_ _\> Table 2.3 shows the number and type of firearm discharges between 1999 and 2006. With a uniformed force of approximately 37,000 officers, **statistically, it is unlikely that an officer will ever discharge his or her weapon during his or her entire career on the police force.** During 2006, 156 officers were involved in a firearm-discharge incident. Moreover, fewer than half of these incidents involved an officer shooting at a human being. After eliminating two-sided gunfights, there were 47 incidents in which officers discharged their weapons without being fired on._ > [@Chronos](#): > > OK, so maybe it’s only second-degree murder, not first. If someone panics for no reason and shoots someone, they’re still responsible. Of course. Likely manslaughter. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/30 "2023-09-13T23:46:56Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > **statistically, it is unlikely that an officer will ever discharge his or her weapon during his or her entire career on the police force.** There is a piece of trivia regarding the great tv show, _The Wire_, related to this. The show was based on the real world experiences of the writer. As crazy as the show was, no police officer during the entire span of the show ever fired their gun, except Prez, who did it twice (and both times accidentally). ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/31 "2023-09-14T00:30:57Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Of course the shooting is reported to their own department, and the coroner has to hold an inquest. Do you somehow thing the police just buries the bodies in the woods or something? _Of course_ shootings usually get reported. What is at question is what exactly is reported by the police directly involved, and what police peripherally involved report that usually backs up what the officer directly involved reported _even when evidence gathered later_ directly contradicts that original report. If you go through both “Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians” threads you will find many examples where fellow officers closed ranks to the detriment of truth and/or justice, and precious few examples of fellow officers voluntarily coming forth to set records straight. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/32 "2023-09-14T00:46:36Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > As crazy as the show was, no police officer during the entire span of the show ever fired their gun, except Prez, who did it twice (and both times accidentally). Yep. And in 170 episodes of Barney Miller, considered by many to be the most realistic cop TV show, there were like 2? episodes off screen where guns were fired by the officers. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/33 "2023-09-14T00:52:42Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > “Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians” threads y 1. I dont do the Pit. If the issue is worth serious discussion, then it shouldnt be in the Pit. 2. there are 3700 posts there. 3. Those are just anecdotes. But again, there are over 700000 police officers, maybe more. So, finding a handful of Controversial encounters is not meaningful, nor are First amendment audit videos on YT. You’d need to show a peer reviewed study showing the extreme claims you make. "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” and neither of those are extraordinary , not even close. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/34 "2023-09-14T00:55:10Z")
My claims are not extreme. Once again, do you put the cops that do not report honestly and timely as to the actions of their fellow officers “good cops” or “bad cops”? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/35 "2023-09-14T00:56:22Z")
You still have no cites, other than anecdotes. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/36 "2023-09-14T00:59:28Z")
Now _there_ is an extremely unusual claim- That the threads you refuse to view are just a collection of anecdotes and not cites leading to reports of actual events. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/37 "2023-09-14T01:54:48Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > It’s his career. He needs the paycheck, so he holds his nose. Then he needs to decide whether to leave the force or continue to be a bad cop. Right now he’s part of the problem. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/38 "2023-09-14T02:14:41Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > cites leading to reports of actual events. That is the _definition_ of an anecdote. Each one- It happened (assuming unbiased reporting which is a BIG assumption) _once_. Even several of these- just more anecdotes. Find a study. But you can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/39 "2023-09-14T02:16:13Z")
Just read the many hundreds of links. But you won’t. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955/40 "2023-09-14T02:19:42Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Just read the many hundreds of links. They prove nothing but it happened a few hundred times over three years, and even that is doubtful, since of course many are biased reporting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-body-cams/989955.md?page=3)