Which countries did you have in mind? Holland isn’t a third-world country, even though marijuana’s legal there, and Pakistan isn’t a paradise, even though alcohol’s illegal there.
This may hold true for cocaine, but not for heroin. With heroin, taking more doesn’t always feel better. There’s a peak. If you take a little more, you’ll feel nauseous and sick. Take more and you’ll experience mild respiratory and cardiac depression which usually isn’t fatal. You really have to hammer down on the heroin to have a life-threatening overdose. Newbies will still probably sometimes overdose, although I believe if heroin was regulated and more consistent, it would be more clear what an appropiate dose for a user without a tolerance should be. Overdoses by addicts would virtually stop.
I meant amongst the posters in this thread. At least two posters mentioned this. That’s my cite. Snailboy had a reasoned reply as to why above.
But that’s just it. Don’t heroin users experience rapid transition into tolerance, thereby upping the dosages needed to maintain a satisfactory fix? And doesn’t that in itself make the user more likely to overdose, or simply wear their body out very prematurely due to abuse?
As tolerance increases, so to does the amount of heroin needed to be dangerous.
Opiates, unlike (for example) alcohol, don’t ravage the internal organs. All else being equal, it’s much safer to be a heroin addict than an alcoholic. It’s just that, with drug laws being what they are, all else is never equal.
They should be at home playing Grand Theft Auto where you can keep an eye on them as they learn what life under the drug war is like.
Mexico's Drug War Killing Its Own Police | HuffPost Latest News Here is what it does. Strengthens the resistance to law enforcement.
While some police may oppose the drug war, it will never be anything but a small minority. Most LEO’s support the drug war for a variety of reasons-
-They are fundamentalists. Many LEO’s are Fundie Christians, and many agencies have a de-facto requirement that recruits must be Fundie Christian. For those types, drugs=pleasure=sin=punishment required.
-They are cynical profiteers. The more people arrested, jailed, on probation, etc. = more jobs for friends and relatives, more promotions, etc. Drug seizure laws = legalized stealing for the department and even officers. There are plenty of cops who have split up the goodies. Ever notice how a lot of cops have fancy toys, boats, atv’s, etc.?
-They were never invited to hang with the cool kids in school. You know, the ones who smoked pot and did x and had a lot of sex? Ever notice how a lot of cops are the type who would be considered dorks if they didn’t have a uniform, a gun, and a source for steroids? They are simply avenging their adolescent envy and loneliness.
Often it is a combination of all three.
If you are looking for people to oppose the idiot War on Drugs, I don’t think cops are a very verdant field to harvest in.
Are you cracked, man? Do you not know what ‘cite’ means? It means that my understanding of history is contrary to yours, and so the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence for your claims.
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I know what cite means, just get tired of doing your work for you. In the real world if you want to know something you look it up for yourself instead of waiting for others to do it for you.
I can offer some more reasons. Most people don’t need drugs to cope with the world, there are other more successful ways of doing so. Drugs are crutches for those who won’t/can’t/dont want to learn better ways, drugs are for the lazy minded. As for alcohol, 40% of fatal auto accidents involve drinking, again by those who use alcohol as a crutch for their problems instead of seeking better ways.
Most people don’t need comic books to cope with the world either.
Comparing comic books to drugs doesn’t work, it’s like comparing apples and oranges.
Even if that is the case, what purpose is served by making that “crutch” illegal ? (unless of course your crutch of choice comes in a bottle, in which case its perfectly legal). Other than insuring the billions upon billions of dolllars end up in the hands of some of the most unpleasant people on the planet, and spending even more billions of dollars (of all our money) ensure that huge swathes of the population are either in prison, or stealing to support their habit.
Saying “drugs should be legalized” is NOT the same thing as saying “drugs are good”. Drugs ARE bad, but making them illegal makes them FAR FAR worse.
This is out of line. Assigning the most venal (and barely plausible) motivations to those who disagree with you is a terrible habit to get into. In reality, cops tend to support drug laws for the same reason that the overwhelming majority of the general population does: they see that Drugs Are Bad, and therefore think that a law banning Drugs must be Good.
I know several cops. Their stated rationale for prosecuting drug laws is that, even if an ounce of marijuana isn’t going to kill anyone, if they get it off the streets that’s one less ounce (of complications, habituation, etc.) that someone has to deal with. I see several problems with that justification, but it’s a far cry from wanting to steal from drug dealers, or being mad at cool kids.
This doesn’t speak to the drug laws. Your job as a proponent of prohibition is not to show that drugs are bad, but that the drug laws are good (that is, that they have good consequences, on balance). That’s a tall order, because it’s beyond dispute that the drug laws produce a mountain of harm, and your position relies on a supposition (i.e. that there would be a very large increase in drug use if drug laws were repealed) for which there is very little evidence. If you want to contribute to discussions such as this one, those are the points you must speak to. Merely repeating the mantra that drugs are bad and for the weak-minded will earn you nothing but well-deserved scorn.
Comparing comic books and drugs to apples and oranges doesn’t work, it’s like comparing comic books and drugs and apples and oranges to apples and oranges and apples and oranges.
Cops see pretty much the absolute worst of substance abuse. They see alcholics who kill their children while driving drunk, they see sons who steal from their elderly mother to feed a heroin addiction and et cetera.
I think that is a large part of why many police officers buy strongly into the “drugs are bad” concept.
Heck, I love alcohol and I can buy into the “alcohol is bad” concept. Sure, in moderation it has some benefits, but it’s a substance that destroys lives.
Maybe Lekatt just prefers the trillion dollar Narco-state that Mexico has become in the last 30 years.
Actually Heroin and LSD would be like Apples and Oranges. Apples and Oranges are both fruits as Heroin and LSD are both drugs. Those who cannot tell the difference between the two, do not have a real opinion on the issue.
The original story and site are by police officers and drug cops. They would refute that contention. They have seen the waste ,lies and corruption with no results. These cops strongly support legalization for many reasons.