# Police response during mass shooting event {Not Gun Control, 2nd Amendment or Politics} **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 26, 2022, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165 "2022-05-26T18:28:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/621 "2022-06-04T15:00:54Z")
That threat alone should result in serious jail time for the whole department. In General Population. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/622 "2022-06-04T15:19:22Z")
There is no way that multiple 911 operators talking to multiple police officers is going to be efficient. This isn’t TV, the operators aren’t following helicopter video and directing the police to follow a suspect down an alley. They only have the information given to them on the phone and advice from other personnel working in close contact. The operators need to be able to communicate with one person, either an officer on the scene or one taking a commanding role. The operator does not give commands to the officers. The operators already have the difficult job of consolidating information from calls with multiple sources they don’t need to try communicating with multiple people, and multiple operators could easily result in contradictory information provided to one or more officers. It’s not easy for them to do this, 911 operators in small towns don’t have to deal with incidents of this scale very often or at all, the procedures have to avoid any kind of complexity that could cause time to be wasted in emergencies. And in many small towns these operators are just as poorly trained as the officers they will be communicated with. Once again, simply saying the words “Two days of training” doesn’t magically make people competent at their jobs. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/623 "2022-06-04T17:05:17Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Then the police threatened to hit her with a probation violation if she didn’t stop talking to the media— I can’t find any confirmation of the second tweet that says it went beyond a threat (which would be her word against theirs) and actually went in front of a judge. If it did, it would all be on record. Although I suppose they would make it ostensibly a parole violation for her disobeying the cops on the day, rather than trying to shut her up. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/624 "2022-06-04T17:17:31Z")
I think people would be protesting if the authorities tried to enforce a parole violation against her. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/625 "2022-06-04T17:17:49Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Most of my response to this is not appropriate for the constraints of this thread, so I will simply say that “attacking the parents of victims for refusing to participate in your attempted cover-up” should not be part of any police department’s “response to an active shooter” playbook Just when you wonder how the story will get worse, something like this comes out of nowhere. No one could have even thought this twist in a work of fiction. I hope the number is traceable to an individual. > [@MandaJo](#): > > Most teachers don’t really like to keep the lock engaged at all times because it makes it so easy to get accidently locked out of the classroom when you go to the restroom or whatever, and then it’s a huge hassle. It’s also frustrating to have to walk across the room and open the door if someone wants to come in, which happens constantly. Fire codes prohibit those kick-down door stoppers, at least in TX. So you can’t easily prop it open during the day. I assumed that was the point of having the bathrooms inside the class. That way no teachers or students need to unlock the door. But I bow to your knowledge on this, my experience with elementary school protocols is decades out of date. > [@MandaJo](#): > > My room has a rubber slider thing at eye level that, when engaged, lets the door close but not latch. these are really excellent, but I never saw one before this year and I don’t think they are common. Can you explain this a bit more or link to a picture? Thanks. > [@Riemann](#): > > I can’t find any confirmation of the second tweet that says it went beyond a threat (which would be her word against theirs) and actually went in front of a judge. I saw a similar quote, but again it was poorly worded and could be read either way. I think there would be a lot of pissed off people if they actually took her to court. Not to mention a few pro bono lawyers vying for the case. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/626 "2022-06-04T17:23:42Z")
According to this [[Mother who ran into Texas school during shooting discusses moments inside - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/video/mother-who-ran-into-texas-school-during-shooting-discusses-moments-inside/#x)] , it seems it didn’t go further than a threat or in front of a judge. Apparently, Gomez told CBS that she came forward because a judge ( presumably the one monitoring her probation) said she was brave and her probation would be shortened but it wasn’t specific about the context in which the judge told her this - it could have been that someone tried to initiate a probation violation , but it could also have been that the judge monitoring her probation had someone (like her probation officer) call her. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/627 "2022-06-04T17:33:40Z")
BTW, during the shooting, [Eva Mireles, one of the teachers in those classrooms, was on the phone with her husband, Ruben Ruiz](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/01/us/uvalde-shooting.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DLDm4biPkORJWe8kPBaO94Z9w0wzWdS5lBLLorDrRU_9NoAnZMGUOus4fW39MMOTk0ooa-GTtt0cmSBr5jtDXkYjX8dekmnvi2tU3ZdTa5W63f1HVwdgtipoB3Ng3_gQx-za_PF-dy3sAvnqtyQ8AnGkpTIXWCrPLqCB5hOdqZbxy66gc-WOBRXT27jsfLovtbM10UUQSaOSs5tWUs69pcO8cVOrL9KnMjfsn-iLYWDg94PUjhwsYhBkQExtGrcgnDV8s&smid=url-share) (gift link), one of the school district police officers, though it’s not clear exactly when they spoke. Still, in addition to the 911 calls from the children, it’s an indication that the police had information from inside the room. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/628 "2022-06-04T18:19:21Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > Apparently, Gomez told CBS that she came forward because a judge ( presumably the one monitoring her probation) said she was brave and her probation would be shortened but it wasn’t specific about the context in which the judge told her this - it could have been that someone tried to initiate a probation violation , but it could also have been that the judge monitoring her probation had someone (like her probation officer) call her. Thanks for that link, some good info there even if the details are a bit scant. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > BTW, during the shooting, Eva Mireles, one of the teachers in those classrooms, was on the phone with her husband, Ruben Ruiz one of the school district police officers, though it’s not clear exactly when they spoke What an awful situation. I can’t even imagine the horror that must be running thru his mind. IIRC, the other teacher’s husband died of a heart attack the day after the shooting. This is one of those things that seen like it will have everlasting problems popping up all over the place. I can’t even imagine what I would tell my (hypothetical) kids about getting them to want to go back to school. I saw there has already been talk to raze the school like they did Sandy Hook. I’m not really sure what good it does if you just rebuild on the same land. Seems like making a memorial park where the school was is a better answer, but I have no knowledge about if they have available land nearby to put up a school. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/629 "2022-06-04T18:24:25Z")
I think the new Sandy Hook school wasn’t built in the exact same spot but elsewhere on the school grounds. If that’s not possible in Uvalde, they might instead build elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/630 "2022-06-04T18:26:43Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > This is one of those things that seen like it will have everlasting problems popping up all over the place. The way this is going with Uvalde police looking like ass-covering scumbags rather than anguished and remorseful, and Arredondo not even suspended pending the outcome of investigations, I worry that some angry family member might do something stupid and we end up with more people hurt. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/631 "2022-06-04T18:26:58Z")
All those many tears ago; the [San Ysidro McDonalds](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Ysidro_McDonald%27s_massacre) that had the mass murdering berserker was torn down and made into a Park. So that is a legit thought. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/632 "2022-06-04T18:27:58Z")
I read someplace that his home and his workplace are under police guard. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/633 "2022-06-04T18:32:39Z")
To what end? We’ve already established they don’t know how to respond to an active shooter. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/634 "2022-06-04T18:36:40Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > We’ve already established they don’t know how to respond to an active shooter. If someone comes in shooting, they will have no idea what to do. But they absolutely know how to respond to an unarmed highly emotional or mentally disturbed person who presents no immediate threat. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/635 "2022-06-04T18:50:19Z")
One thing rural Texas has is land. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/636 "2022-06-04T19:49:41Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > Can you explain this a bit more or link to a picture? Thanks. They put the same device on my door last year. Haven’t been able to find an image yet. Picture a capital “I” made of rubber, about 4" long, 2" wide and 1/2" thick. There is a sleeve around the middle of the I, with about an inch of play at each end. So the I can slide back and forth. The sleeve is then mounted on your door above the crash bar, right next to edge. That way, when you extend the I, it comes between the door and the frame and prevents the crash bar from engaging. Slide it the other way, there is no obstruction and the latch latchs. Very handy. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/637 "2022-06-04T20:13:16Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > There are probably that many different police departments operating in the city of Cleveland alone. The Cleveland police themselves, the transit police, the park rangers, forces for at least two different universities and two different hospital systems, the county sheriffs… Hospitals have their own police in the US?!? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/638 "2022-06-04T20:20:18Z")
This article was eye opening to me. > **[Timeline: New details about the Uvalde school massacre keep contradicting...](https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2022/06/us/uvalde-police-narratives-texas-shooting/index.html)** > > Since 19 children and two teachers were slaughtered in Uvalde, authorities have repeatedly changed their story about what happened before, during and after the bloody siege. Here's what we know. Basically, the bumbling incompetence and out and out lying of Texas police is shocking. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/639 "2022-06-04T20:47:20Z")
Some do - although the way [some](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Department_of_Health_and_Hospitals_Police)[hospital](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_State_Office_of_Mental_Health_Police) police operate , they would possibly more accurately be described as “security”. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/640 "2022-06-04T20:48:42Z")
When I worked at a hospital, it was just security. A pretty much a joke at that. Anything real happened and the town’s police would be in to deal with it. But this was 30 years ago. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165.md?page=33)