# Police response during mass shooting event {Not Gun Control, 2nd Amendment or Politics} **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 26, 2022, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165 "2022-05-26T18:28:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/761 "2022-06-22T14:28:30Z")
[A top Texas official shared new details on how police responded to the Uvalde massacre. This is the latest minute-by-minute timeline - CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/21/us/texas-dps-director-mccraw-uvalde-shooting-timeline/index.html) the above gives the time line from the hearing yest. in texas. failure to acct is an understatement. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/762 "2022-06-22T17:25:04Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > the above gives the time line from the hearing yest. in texas. failure to acct is an understatement. Excellent timeline breakdown. Now we know they had the tool to breach the door 8 minutes after they arrived. Yet they still did the searching for a master key thing, when apparently there was no master key that could open every classroom door. A key that only opens some doors is not a master key. > At **12:50:03 p.m**., authorities enter the room and shoot and kill the gunman. Seven officers went in, with four going in first, followed by three more, McCraw said. Five officers fired at the subject, he added This is also new. Everything I’ve seen said it was only three officers entering. Wonder if they did both doors together? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/763 "2022-06-22T17:31:17Z")
I wouldn’t be surprised if the video shows the preceding 45 minutes was nothing but “You go first.” “No, you!” ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/764 "2022-06-23T01:43:38Z")
Took a month, but: > **[Uvalde school police chief on leave after mass shooting](https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/uvalde-school-police-chief-on-leave-after-mass-shooting-1.5959265)** > > The Uvalde school district's police chief was put on leave Wednesday following allegations that he erred in his response to the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School that left 19 students and two teachers dead. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/765 "2022-06-23T14:19:44Z")
A spokesperson for the Uvalde school district, Anne Marie Espinoza, declined to say whether Arredondo would continue to be paid while on leave." 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/766 "2022-06-23T16:59:00Z")
In other words, he’s getting paid. At least the commission he just got elected to has refused to grant him excused absences from meetings and if he misses three they can drop him from the board. He already missed one meeting. Recalling him is not an option until he serves one year. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/767 "2022-07-02T19:35:49Z")
From the Uvalde Leader-News: [Pete Arredondo resigned from the city council](https://www.uvaldeleadernews.com/articles/arredondo-calls-it-quits-on-city/). ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/768 "2022-07-02T21:34:40Z")
I think he’s finally faced that his future is not in Uvalde. This little bit floors me. Isn’t his police force only six people, or am I recalling that wrong? > Arredondo earns about $90,750 annually, according to a recent salary study by the Texas Association of School Boards. Uvalde County Sheriff Ruben Nolasco’s salary is set at $77,915, and Uvalde Police Department Chief Daniel Rodriguez’s earns $87,401.60 a year. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/769 "2022-07-02T21:40:29Z")
Only five people are pictured on the school district police force website although six were pictured prior to the incident, so apparently someone resigned. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2022, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/770 "2022-07-11T07:02:05Z")
[Update](https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/10/us/investigative-report-uvalde-school-shooting/index.html): Looks like a lot of stalling on releasing info is still going on. > The [Texas House Investigative Committee](https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/09/us/uvalde-school-shooting-thursday/index.html)’s preliminary report into the massacre at [Robb Elementary School](https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/01/us/uvalde-school-shooting-parents-city-council/index.html) in Uvalde could be released within the next 10 days, and the chairman of the committee is pushing for the report to include the critical 77-minutes of “hallway” surveillance video, according to a source close to the committee. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2022, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/771 "2022-07-12T20:03:25Z")
School door locks [story](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/uvalde-classrooms-lacked-security-door-locks-rcna37358). A short article about what a teacher at Uvalde, and many other schools, had to do to lock the shooter out of her classroom. It also has a bit about what schools have wasted security money on, like bullet proof whiteboards, rather than buying locks that you can use from the inside of the classroom. > The moment she heard the first pops of gunfire, the teacher knew what she had to do: She needed to make sure that her classroom door was locked. But at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, that seemingly simple task would require her to take a life-threatening risk. > > Then the teacher pulled the door open. Took a deep breath. And stepped into the hall, praying that the shooter wouldn’t see her. > Moving toward gunfire was the only way she could be certain that her students were safe, the teacher said. That’s because Robb Elementary is among thousands of schools across the country lacking a basic safety feature that experts have recommended for decades: classroom doors that lock from the inside. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/772 "2022-07-13T17:53:59Z")
Those of you who have been unfailingly critical of the response to Uvalde may be a bit chagrined when you learn that there was a Very Good Reason for the LEOs’ inaction: germaphobia. How can you expect somebody to risk their _life_ when they’re afraid of catching _a cold ?_ Let’s be reasonable here. > **[Leaked security video from inside Robb Elementary School shows police...](https://www.insider.com/video-inside-uvalde-school-shows-officers-stopping-for-hand-sanitizer-2022-7)** > > Footage released by the Austin American-Statesman shows Uvalde police did not engage with the shooter who killed 21 people for more than 77 minutes. [![](https://i.insider.com/62cde7ea36748a0018ea1673?width=1300&format=jpeg&auto=webp) ](https://i.insider.com/62cde7ea36748a0018ea1673?width=1300&format=jpeg&auto=webp) > Police are also seen pacing in the hall, stopping for hand sanitizer, and running from the gunman. [It seems to me that running _away_ can actually _reduce_ your ability to affect a swift end to the slaughter of innocent children, but I’m not an expert.] ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/773 "2022-07-13T20:37:11Z")
In another picture you can see one of those nimrods checking his phone, and the background screen on his phone is the Punisher logo. Pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/774 "2022-07-13T21:28:10Z")
Trae Crowder (a/k/a Liberal Redneck) gives his thoughts on the latest video released. About 2m30s - **NSFW - LANGUAGE** [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/CitrO4HfMsw/maxresdefault.jpg "Liberal Redneck - Uvalde Footage") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CitrO4HfMsw) ETA: @EllisDee : I think he agrees with you 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/775 "2022-07-13T21:31:22Z")
[aside] By now I have concluded that stickers, t-shits, Velcro patches and screen wallpapers of the Punisher logo or Spartan helmet are a sign of what the person _knows_ they are **not.** [/aside] ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/776 "2022-07-14T18:07:16Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > > Police are also seen pacing in the hall, stopping for hand sanitizer, and running from the gunman. I’ve got to say I just love this line. Perfect summation. > [@EllisDee](#): > > Pathetic Pretty much describes the whole situation. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/777 "2022-07-17T04:39:05Z")
This just in: " Uvalde officials presented Texas DPS with a document labeled ‘narrative’ days after the school shooting. It said because police had ‘zero hesitation’ and ‘moved directly toward the gunfire’ they saved over 500 lives." [Uvalde officials presented Texas DPS with a document labeled ‘narrative’ days after the school shooting. It said because police had ‘zero hesitation’ and ‘moved directly toward the gunfire’ they saved over 500 lives. (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/uvalde-officials-presented-texas-dps-with-a-document-labeled-narrative-days-after-the-school-shooting-it-said-because-police-had-zero-hesitation-and-moved-directly-toward-the-gunfire-they-saved-over-500-lives/ar-AAZEfqX?cvid=dce0666bbfb64ffdb881cd181113b766&ocid=winp2sv1plustaskbarhover) WT Actual F??? ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/778 "2022-07-17T04:53:30Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > WT Actual F??? That’s gotta be The Onion. Nothing else makes sense in this universe. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/779 "2022-07-17T05:01:44Z")
Well now there’s some merit to that position. I mean sure, everyone wants to focus on the twenty-one human beings (many of them very small) who died, but what about all the other people in the school that day who _didn’t_ end up dead due to police inaction? Really, we’re talking about a 95%+ survival rate for the students that day, and yet all the naysayers want to say “nay” over the handful of… Okay, I can’t do it anymore. It just boggles the mind. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165/780 "2022-07-17T14:22:33Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > That’s gotta be The Onion Where does The Onion go after abject capitulation ? > > > Raw Story @RawStory [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/police-response-during-mass-shooting-event-not-gun-control-2nd-amendment-or-politics/965165.md?page=40)