Police shoot U.S. student's laptop upon entry to Israel

just an interesting aside, to compare the serious attititude of Israeli airport security vs. the joke which is the TSA in America:

About a year ago , an Israeli policeman flying out of Israel on official police business accidently packed his cop pistol along with his uniform in his carry on bag. He arrived in America, discovered his mistake and notified the authorities that they had screwed up really badly, allowing a loaded weapon on board a plane.

Back in Israel, the ENTIRE SHIFT of baggage checkers who had been on duty at the time of that flight were fired, immediately. Nobody complained.

moral of the story—In Israel, citizens understand and accept that airport security is serious business. The public will tolerate an occasional stupid mistake, as long as the mistake is on the side of unnecesary severity, not laxness.

Depends on the munition and the area around it, but yes, Standoff MUnitions Disruption (SMUD) is pretty effective. I like it for runway clearance.

Tripler
Pretty good for submunitions.

It’s also fun if you just wanna blow something up with an old school rifle. The same Captain told me that he didn’t like using the Barret .50 because it hit the IED’s too hard, breaking them apart with the blunt force of the impact rather than setting them off like he wanted (a broken bomb means lots of little explody bits for him to deal with, rather than a crater with fewer, but still potentially explody bits).

He let me tool around with an M-14 for a few minutes, that does seem like a very fun rifle to use (though maybe not a fun rifle to haul around in the desert. Probably more fun for that than the Barret would be…)

That seems a bit excessive. How many of those fired had even been in a position to observe or intercept the pistol? I mean, I can see firing any security personnel who had interacted with the policeman’s baggage and failed to notice the gun, but what about someone who was doing an excellent job on another passenger/baggage line at the time?

Or is it just a “one screener messed up, and we have no idea which one, so we’d better fire all of them” sort of thing?

No offence taken. We actually encourage the stereotype. Keeps the natives in line.

Well, that and lots of nukes. Lots.

That’s bad management.

Need a laptop with greater ventilation?

We have an app for that!

hehe

Could have been worse. Much worse. Between bullet holes and Vista…I’m thinking…bullet holes. Yeah, bullet holes.

yep,steathpotato has the right answer. There was no way to determine which individual was responsible, so they fired all of them, for one simple mistake.
Because there are some jobs where zero tolerance is necessary.
Israeli citizens realize this, and accept the responsibility involved.

So no, it’s not bad management, when the policy is fully accepted by all the employees, and the general public.
My point is to show just how seriously Israelis understand the threat of terrorism.
For Americans, Sept 11 was a one-off event , never repeated.
But not for Israelis.

The laptop incident that started this thread is a case of overkill*
But behind the incident lies a very serious philosophy..

  • (nice pun, heh?).
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I would sure as hell complain if I were fired for the incompetence of one of my associates.
“Do you have a cite?” he asked politely.
:slight_smile:

Maybe not in YOUR household.

That said, jeeezzzzz, folks! It is just one laptop. I’m more concerned about the
gazillions of laptops that decide to self-destruct for no damn reason at all.

Associates=management.

Fire away.

Probably so, but you gotta admit that destroying Rachel Corrie was perfectly kosher… the little bitch tried to spray-paint an Israeli bulldozer’s treads with her impure blood and guts. But such chutzpah! …if only she wasn’t a filthy shiksa.

Valid. Gas attacks are a potential terror tactic.

Sorry, he should have said “bootality.”

Could you maybe reimburse Rachel Corrie while your in such a forgiving mood? It’s a little more difficult, I know, but Yahweh is a forgiving God, right?

Oh.. shit! That’s right! He only sees fit to forgive the Chosen People. Welp, sucks to be her! Just another dumb Arab-loving whore with the misfortune of randomly picking the wrong fairy tale. Oh gosh darn it.

Huh?

What the fuck are you yammering on about?

I’m curious about this procedure you’re postulating.

So this border security force has no way to detect explosives but they have a robot.

They suspect a laptop of concealing explosives so they shoot three holes in it and because it didn’t explode it must not have any.

Then they give the laptop back to the owner and promise her a replacement.

Sounds like what they wanted to accomplish was to deny her use of her laptop while she was in Isreal.

This is Great Debates, not the BBQ Pit. If you have to post a rant in Great Debates, then at least don’t post factually erroneous information including deliberately misinterpreted phrases and bad theology.

Knock it off or take it to the Pit.

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I believe it is a reference to the protester who was accidentally killed by a bulldozer. Let’s start another thread to discuss it.