# Political fallout of transgender bathroom issue **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 14, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775 "2016-05-14T18:29:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/241 "2016-05-17T23:14:29Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > … Transgendered people are the ones most likely to be victimized. This whole debate is trying really had to flip that fact on it’s head and make transgendered people out to be perverts looking to victimize others and nothing could be further from the truth. > … I agree with this. Without intending to be flippant, it reminds me of the voter-fraud “issue,” in that there really have been few or no cases of actual voter fraud–and the attempts to “solve the problem” of supposed voter-fraud are actually about something else entirely (suppressing the votes of ‘undesirable’ demographics). It’s the same thing with this ginned-up “crisis” of ‘transgender people are using restrooms of a gender not on their birth-certificate, OMG!!1!!’ Cases of transgender persons committing sexual violence against other people in restrooms are clearly rare–otherwise the forces of repression would be trumpeting them day and night. We _already_ have laws against people committing sexual violence against other people, whether in restrooms or anywhere else. As with “voter fraud,” this “solution” is about something other than what it purports to be about (in this case, it would appear, it’s about getting a certain type of voter motivated enough to get out and vote). ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/242 "2016-05-17T23:14:55Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I loved, and did not fear, my grandmother. It is not an attack or insult. You equated being transgender with having a debilitating and fatal disease involving mental incompetence. I’m not saying you meant it as an insult or that you had any malice behind the comparison, but it just seems like a very skewed way of viewing these people. My grandmother died of Alzheimer’s so I know first hand what that’s all about. I’ve also worked with and been friends with transgender people. I cannot see any way to equate these two things. That’s why it struck me as such an odd comparison and possibly illuminating as to why you feel the way you do about the issue. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/243 "2016-05-17T23:18:21Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Why would someone who truly feels to be a woman and is legally entitled access avoid the showers if communal? Or any other communal nude place? Because they may have physical abnormalities and want to avoid confrontation. As I asked, got any examples of transgender people using open showers, were there any issues? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/244 "2016-05-17T23:21:38Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I’m not expecting anything. I’m just not keeping silent about my opinion. I do expect that in the country more broadly, my opinion is not so vastly outnumbered as it is here. But even if it were, as an atheist of the Sam Harris and Bill Maher type, I’m used to having most people in both parties disagree with me about things. Oh well. It took lots of people a long time to recognize that gay people weren’t sick in the head or otherwise deviant… I’m sure it will take a long time for many to accept that trans people aren’t similarly sick in the head or otherwise deviant. Hopefully, some of them will think back and will have learned the lessons of their previous skepticism of homosexuality – just like gay people, trans people have no interest in harming anyone and only want to not be assaulted or otherwise harmed, and treated decently and fairly by society at large. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/245 "2016-05-17T23:34:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Hopefully, some of them will think back and will have learned the lessons of their previous skepticism of homosexuality – just like gay people, trans people have no interest in harming anyone and only want to not be assaulted or otherwise harmed, and treated decently and fairly by society at large. It seems to be very similar to homosexuality (to me, anyway), in that it’s not something that trans people chose to be, it just was, in the same way that I always thought I was a boy from the time of the development of my identity. I’m sure Una could speak better to this than I could. (As usual. :)) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/246 "2016-05-17T23:47:47Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > We _already_ have laws against people committing sexual violence against other people, whether in restrooms or anywhere else. As with “voter fraud,” this “solution” is about something other than what it purports to be about (in this case, it would appear, it’s about getting a certain type of voter motivated enough to get out and vote). Ding ding ding! We have a winner! This is absolutely the #1 reason behind this latest “controversy” ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/247 "2016-05-18T00:19:24Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I don’t know why you keep reiterating that the letter was not in response to the NC law. No one has claimed it was in response to the NC law. I don’t know why you are portraying my statement in exactly the reverse of what I have said. The letter was in preparation for several months. What I have said is that the intended release date of the letter may have been something different than last week, but that it is possible that the release date was changed in response to the North Carolina attack on Civil Rights. The point is that this was not some hastily written document created in response to the NC legislature, but that it had been under consideration for a long time. > [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > What I did say was that if they were responding to “requests for guidance” then they would just respond to those requests. They didn’t send out letters to every school district in the country with implied threats of loss of school funding etc. because they were responding to requests for guidance. Of course, the Dear Colleague letter makes no effort to threaten schools with loss of funding, either. However, I will note that the Dear Colleague letter has a long tradition in the Department of Education (which issued the letter jointly with the Department of Justice). They, in fact, have a policy of providing guidance on numerous issues through exactly the same sort of document and your claim that they would (normally?) just answer individual questions when asked has no basis in fact. Dear Colleague letters is a primary method of providing all school systems with consistent information. > [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > BTW, what’s the source for your claim that the DOJ directives were based on “over 28,000 responses” from “multiple institutions, educational and otherwise”? I can’t find any references to this claim anywhere (or any reference to a request for public comments altogether) and I wonder if you or someone was confused by the reference to on the [Justice Department Blog](https://www.justice.gov/justice-blogs) which included the entry on this topic - however the 28,000 comments there were about the BP settlement. I’m somewhat skeptical of this claim, because - in addition to the fact that I can’t find it anywhere - anything big enough to have attracted over 28,000 responses from “multiple institutions, educational and otherwise” would have attracted more attention than this did at an earlier stage. I saw the statement in one of the numerous articles in papers and the internet from the last two weeks and cannot now find it. Searching for “28,000” will not bring it up because the actual number was 28,465 or 28,095 or something like that, (which is why I only indicated “over 28,000”). You are free to ignore that point, although your claim that such a request and response would have made a bigger splash in the news, like your erroneous claim that the various agencies would have only responded individually to individual requests rather than sending a document simultaneously to all interested parties, is not based on reality. How many of the over 300 Dear Colleague letters sent out over the last ten years (for example) have attracted even two inches of type in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, or Washington Post? This one was only reported after the North Carolina brouhaha blew up. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/248 "2016-05-18T00:25:29Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > We can’t really hash this out, because I don’t really buy into the categories “trans people” or “cis people”. I will use them in some contexts to be polite, but when it gets right down to the nitty gritty I don’t believe in it. Then indeed we can’t hash things out. You don’t believe trans folks; you call them by nasty slurs; you compare them to folks who are mentally incompetent. This is not the basis of a respectful discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/249 "2016-05-18T00:34:23Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > **Yogsothoth** : Should chicks with dicks be allowed in the women’s locker room? All right. That’s it. This thread is now under extreme supervision. Anything from here on out derogatory - about anyone, any group or whatever - is going to earn a warning. Multiple warnings, possibly. For God’s sake, behave yourselves. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/250 "2016-05-18T00:50:19Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > We can’t really hash this out, because I don’t really buy into the categories “trans people” or “cis people”. I will use them in some contexts to be polite, but when it gets right down to the nitty gritty I don’t believe in it. So, what’s the functional difference between you, and an anti-vaxxer? Or a climate change denier? Or a creationist? You all seem like people who are comfortable ignoring the science on a subject if it doesn’t comport with your preconceived notions of how things should work. What makes your opinion about transexuals more valid than Jenny McCarthy’s opinion on polio vaccines? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/251 "2016-05-18T01:25:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It took lots of people a long time to recognize that gay people weren’t sick in the head or otherwise deviant… I’m sure it will take a long time for many to accept that trans people aren’t similarly sick in the head or otherwise deviant. That’s not a very accepting or sympathetic-sounding way of framing mental illness. Seems to me you are complaining about stigmatizing transgenderism, while doing it to the mentally ill (who are, of course, far more numerous). > [@Airbeck](#): > > You equated being transgender with having a debilitating and fatal disease involving mental incompetence. I’m not saying you meant it as an insult or that you had any malice behind the comparison, but it just seems like a very skewed way of viewing these people. > > My grandmother died of Alzheimer’s so I know first hand what that’s all about. I’ve also worked with and been friends with transgender people. I cannot see any way to equate these two things. That’s why it struck me as such an odd comparison and possibly illuminating as to why you feel the way you do about the issue. I still think a much more apt comparison is to anorexia, of seeing a fat person in the mirror when you are actually stick thin. (That’s not a perfect analogy either, of course. There is none.) > [@Miller](#): > > So, what’s the functional difference between you, and an anti-vaxxer? Or a climate change denier? Or a creationist? You all seem like people who are comfortable ignoring the science on a subject if it doesn’t comport with your preconceived notions of how things should work. What makes your opinion about transexuals more valid than Jenny McCarthy’s opinion on polio vaccines? I would say it’s more akin to someone like Stephen Pinker, who takes a hardheaded, clear-eyed look at human nature in his book [The Blank Slate](https://www.amazon.com/Blank-Slate-Modern-Denial-Nature-ebook/dp/B000QCTNIM?ie=UTF8&btkr=1&ref_=dp-kindle-redirect) but runs into heavy headwinds because his analysis flies in the face of the politically correct, “standard social science model” that holds sway at the academy and in polite society. I see there is a [Johns Hopkins professor of psychiatry](http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120) who has taken a similar view (emphasis mine): > [@](#): > > The transgendered suffer a disorder of “assumption” like those in other disorders familiar to psychiatrists. With the transgendered, the disordered assumption is that the individual differs from what seems given in nature—namely one’s maleness or femaleness. Other kinds of disordered assumptions are held by those who suffer from anorexia and bulimia nervosa, where the assumption that departs from physical reality is the belief by the dangerously thin that they are overweight.[…] > > For the transgendered, this argument holds that one’s feeling of “gender” is a conscious, subjective sense that, being in one’s mind, cannot be questioned by others. **The individual often seeks not just society’s tolerance of this “personal truth” but affirmation of it.** Here rests the support for “transgender equality,” the demands for government payment for medical and surgical treatments, and for access to all sex-based public roles and privileges.[…] > > How to respond? Psychiatrists obviously must challenge the solipsistic concept that what is in the mind cannot be questioned. Disorders of consciousness, after all, represent psychiatry’s domain; declaring them off-limits would eliminate the field.[…] > > Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder. His credentials seem sound, but I have not an iota of doubt that \*\*Una \*\*or others will swoop in to excoriate him in apocalyptic terms, just as the egalitarian “blank slate” social scientists have attempted to do to Pinker. And so most psychiatrists will just see it as not worth the hassle to even attempt to go into this area. Thus we don’t really have a fair playing field for science at all. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/252 "2016-05-18T01:31:55Z")
I’d remind you that that was what was thought about homosexuality back in the day. I take a rather jaundiced view of it. Damned paywalls. I can’t read more than the first paragraph. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/253 "2016-05-18T01:40:22Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > His credentials seem sound, but I have not an iota of doubt that \*\*Una \*\*or others will swoop in to excoriate him in apocalyptic terms… And they’d be correct in doing so. If you want to hedge your argument with the opinion of an 84 year old and his archaic views, I doubt you’ll find much support. He lacks support for his opinions in his own field. None of the scientific bodies share his opinion. People often invoke the prestige of John Hopkins to bolster his arguments, but John Hopkins as an institute disagrees with his positions. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/254 "2016-05-18T01:40:35Z")
For some reason, I can read responses in a later column to his op-ed piece, one of which, by another psychiatrist, specifically contradicts him: [Views About Transgendered That Are Stuck In the Past](http://www.wsj.com/articles/views-about-transgendered-that-are-stuck-in-the-past-1403122012) [QUOTE=Dan Karasic, M.D., Professor of Psychiatry, UC San Francisco] Dr. McHugh writes about the study at Johns Hopkins in the 1970s showing poor outcomes from transgender surgeries, leading to Dr. McHugh shutting down Johns Hopkins’s transgender program in 1979, and the Department of Health and Human Services declaring transgender surgery experimental, and therefore not covered. Two weeks ago HHS reversed its 1981 decision and removed transgender health exclusions from Medicare. Dr. McHugh ignores the work in transgender health in these last 30 years that led to this reversal by HHS. Dr. McHugh also mischaracterizes the treatment of gender-nonconforming children. As he states, most gender-nonconforming children do not identify as transgender in adulthood. However, those who receive puberty-blocking drugs do not do so until puberty, when transidentity is likely to persist. These drugs allow adolescents and their parents to work with doctors to achieve the best outcome. This approach was demonstrated to be successful in research in the Netherlands before being adopted widely in the U.S. The American Psychiatric Association and the World Professional Association for Transgender Health no longer view transgender identity as inherently pathological. Dr. McHugh’s views are stuck in the past. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/255 "2016-05-18T02:08:10Z")
> [@](#): > > Dr. McHugh also mischaracterizes the treatment of gender-nonconforming children. As he states, most gender-nonconforming children do not identify as transgender in adulthood. However, those who receive puberty-blocking drugs do not do so until puberty, when transidentity is likely to persist. These drugs allow adolescents and their parents to work with doctors to achieve the best outcome. What exactly is this saying? > [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > I’d remind you that that was what was thought about homosexuality back in the day. I take a rather jaundiced view of it. But homosexuality is about what people prefer to _do_. “I like to kiss other men, and snuggle with them in bed late on Sunday mornings, and then make mohitos and go to brunch.” Cool, sounds like a nice weekend. “I’m not into all that romantic stuff, but I like to really get pounded by a dude.” Right on, knock yourself out: not my thing, but whatever floats your boat. Similarly, I have not the slightest issue with someone like Eddie Izzard who likes to wear what would ordinarily be thought of as women’s clothing; nor with the dearly departed Prince and Bowie, who wore sexually ambiguous clothing. Rock on, guys–it’s all good. 🙂 None of this is the same as saying “regardless of what biology might tell us, I **am** a woman (or man, as the case may be), and I \*demand \*that everyone else affirm this as truth”. BTW, if you search for that article (or even just the author’s name) and then click the link you get from the search, you can read the whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/256 "2016-05-18T02:47:37Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > None of this is the same as saying “regardless of what biology might tell us, I **am** a woman (or man, as the case may be), and I \*demand \*that everyone else affirm this as truth”. Actually I think they just want to be able to live their lives and be themselves, just like everyone else. Where are you seeing this demand for affirmation of truth? If anything they’d just like to be left alone and afforded the baseline level of respect that any human being deserves. At least that’s in my estimation anyway, and I can’t see how that’s an unreasonable thing to want. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/257 "2016-05-18T02:55:01Z")
I guess you have never seen the howls of outrage on Twitter if one uses the wrong pronoun or, worse, “deadnames” someone. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/258 "2016-05-18T03:18:38Z")
No I haven’t, but I don’t base my opinions about these kinds of issues on things like that. I try to put myself in someone else’s shoes and see things from other perspectives, and usually things like empathy and compassion seem to follow from that. I certainly wouldn’t judge an entire category of people on the antics of the obnoxious few. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/259 "2016-05-18T03:36:50Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > **Una** , thanks for the cookie cutter response, but if you paid the slightest attention to my comments you would have noted that I stood up before hundreds of people and TV cameras to argue for gay rights. Gay rights aren’t transgender rights, as you have proven by example. > [@](#): > > As for your litany of unfortunate attempts at treatment that were attempted in the 1960s, a lot of that medieval shit was used to battle depression and other psychiatric problems back then as well. Does that mean they should have stopped looking for new and better treatments? For that matter, if something was unable to be cured in the 1960s, why does that mean it can never be cured, regardless of what type of affliction it is? Should we have stopped looking for treatments for cancer at that time? OMG, what bullcrap. I guess the millions of transgender people worldwide should, instead of pursuing the best course of treatment right now, should sit and wait it out. What’s wrong, was our suicide rate not high enough for you? ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775/260 "2016-05-18T03:43:00Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I see there is a [Johns Hopkins professor of psychiatry](http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120) who has taken a similar view (emphasis mine): > > His credentials seem sound, but I have not an iota of doubt that \*\*Una \*\*or others will swoop in to excoriate him in apocalyptic terms, just as the egalitarian “blank slate” social scientists have attempted to do to Pinker. And so most psychiatrists will just see it as not worth the hassle to even attempt to go into this area. Thus we don’t really have a fair playing field for science at all. Good for you, you Googled and found an outlier who has already been debunked on a couple of threads in here. Steadfastly ignoring the overwhelming weight of medical opinion on my side of the debate. Go…you. :smack: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/political-fallout-of-transgender-bathroom-issue/754775.md?page=14)