Sure, and you were going to show me how the absence of a thing, let us say amorality, is reconcilable with morality. Harmonious with it, in agreement with it, what have you. How zero loves one, or how a thing is congruous with no thing, or nothing. Also, still waiting for your cite on where I said all wars are immoral. Thanks.
Well that’s a whole lot of nothing. I think I’ve proven my point, with a simple dictionary reference. Throwing in a bunch more unrelated words hardly makes any difference to me.
Here y’go… (bolding mine) - BTW, it took me a whole 4 minutes to scroll back up the thread to get this information.
Maybe if you knew how my words were related, you’d know why you haven’t proven your point(s).
No. Since the phrase “irreconcilable with morality” by the definition of “irreconcilable” that we are agreed upon, does not mean “immoral,” you haven’t quoted me. So please cite where I said all wars are immoral, or admit that you were either a) not really reading my posts before arguing with me, b) didn’t really understand the words you were reading, and/or c) lying about what I said.
It seems, Grossbottom, that you are arguing that war is amoral - i.e., killing large numbers of people who would rather not be dead is neither right nor wrong.
Would you care to defend that position?
Regards,
Shodan
If the draft was re-introduced and enacted, it would be so pretty much because the American people accepted it, even if we didn’t like it. So yeah, people would report for duty, for the most part. I think.
Look, Grossbottom, this is stupid. Shodan put it well and I’ll ask again - do you think all wars are immoral? Amoral? or outside of morality all together by some strange extension? Or are some immoral and others moral?
Your explanations don’t make sense to me, and I’m a little tired of arguing this point for someone who won’t admit they made any error. But if you’d just answer the question above, we can just agree to disagree and let the discussion move on without belaboring this little point, shall we?
I also think there’s some sort of bug up your bonnet about me. Don’t know why, don’t care why - if you want to discuss it, then feel free to join me here. Or not, I don’t care.
Well, I’m on your side of the bleachers. 
Since everyone is waiting for someone buying Grossbottom’s line, I’ll chime in.
War tends to involve a bunch of very young men shooting each other, blowing each other up, stabbing each other, and generally behaving in ways that will deeply affect their inner selves and the lives of their loved ones for at least a generation. Describing a situation like that, where young men get to see their peers turned into stumps of flesh, where they have to contemplate that they are doing the same to other young men on the other side who may have little to do with the actual political machinations that have led to war, is irreconcilable with morality.
This does not mean that WWII was immoral. This does not mean that fighting the Nazis was immoral. The fact that it’s a war, with all the carnage and mayhem that that implies puts it outside of the sphere of morality. Not reconcilable with normal morality. YMMV.
I don’t see anyone attacking it yet. I certainly think it’s defensible.
Oh goodie.
I could be reconciled with that.
Well, alright then, somebody pushed the button.
But in this thread, Bryan Eckers is right to point out that this particular discussion iis tangential to the thread, and also takes a stand on the issue involved in this particular discussion, so I would like to continue this discussion in that thread.
-FrL-
Really?
Giving up the only home I’ve ever known to avoid being a tool is selfish?
Putting everything, including my life, on the line to fight something I disagree with is selfish?
Seems to me the selfish thing to do would be go to fight the war for a couple years to keep my placid local existence back home, and screw anyone I’m ordered to kill.
I don’t know. It never comes up in conversation so I don’t know how my peers would react, but my sense is there’d be considerably more resistance than people on this board seem to be assuming. Sure, some might be herded like cattle to the slaughter, but I think you’d probably have to deal with a very vocal and dangerous minority.
Dangerous, huh? are you saying these are Americans who will kill Americans so that they don’t have to go kill foreigners? Because their morals are too high for that? While they were fighting not to go to war, would they use any terrorist tactics to avoid being drafted? Would a few innocent civilians in America have to die so that this vocal and dangerous minority not be drafted?
Just wondering what kind of scenario you’re envisioning from these young folks whose morals are too high for them to go kill strangers.
Well would you consider a group that wanted to kidnap you from your home and go make you catch bullets and kill for a cause you don’t agree with a friend or an enemy?
It’s safe to say civilians would be safe, but working on the draft board could be kind of dangerous. Probably not though. Antiwar folks are usually peaceniks.
Now since you’re so gun ho about draftees compliance that you’d assume those who don’t are terrorists I’m sure you’d be willing to set a good example and go down and enlist right now.
Ha. :rolleyes:
More hot air here than you need for a fleet of balloons.
Not 1 man in 10 who says they’d take up arms ever would.
They’d go to their local bars, grumble in their beers, & then get fitted for unis like good little boys.
Forget about Vietnam war protests, and the buses to Canada much?
It’s interesting that you assume I’m gung-ho about draftee compliance, since I didn’t say anything about it, but as a matter of fact I did set a good example and go down and enlist. In 1994. And I served for six years.
Next.
While I might disagree with a war here or there. I can find no fault with someone brave enough to sign up for the armed forces of their own freewill. I salute you.
Canada will ship your ass back, these days.
And the slogan of this gereation is-“Yes, no, whatever…”
Just as effectively as the US controls immigration on it’s southern border?
Thats true of many, but not all.
That’s a good question though. Would a draft be enough to shake off the apathy?
Depends how wide scale it was I think.
You know what they say.
Fight Apathy, or don’t.