# Politicising tragedy **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 30, 2025, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/politicising-tragedy/1013625 "2025-01-30T16:56:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/politicising-tragedy/1013625/1 "2025-01-30T16:56:36Z")
For cry eye. These people aren’t named or claimed by relatives, and the idiot playing president is blaming Biden and DEI. A stroke or aneurism would be too good for him. hegseth and vance may as well as fellated him there in front of the press and the world. He’s also demeaning any of the press that questions his assumptions or he really gets pissed when they call him out on his lies. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/politicising-tragedy/1013625/2 "2025-01-30T17:10:29Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > He’s also demeaning any of the press that questions his assumptions or he really gets pissed when they call him out on his lies. How has this changed since his first term? Didn’t he just stop having press conferances all together because of those pesky libtard reporters from fake news agencies bringing facts? ---
**Author:** ![DaveUnknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/94ad74/32.png) [@DaveUnknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaveUnknown)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/politicising-tragedy/1013625/3 "2025-01-30T17:12:04Z")
No surprise. Although after he read the pre-written “I hired smarter people, but Biden hired DEI…” crap, he all but said it was the helicopter’s fault, but in a strange way-- “helicopters can stop… I’ve had helicopters…they should have turned and stopped…” etc. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/politicising-tragedy/1013625/4 "2025-01-30T17:12:47Z")
Right before the crash he even announced that a civil aviation safety board would be dismantled. [I am in the middle of lunch and can’t hunt down a cite right now.] ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/politicising-tragedy/1013625/5 "2025-01-30T17:16:27Z")
Considering all the things he has already done during his second term, I’m not sure a cite is necessary. The only thing that any one could doubt about your claim is the timing. But Trump dismantling a necessary program that saves lives? I have honestly lost count of how many times he as done that. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/politicising-tragedy/1013625/6 "2025-01-30T17:21:09Z")
> [@DaveUnknown](#): > > crap, he all but said it was the helicopter’s fault, but in a strange way-- “helicopters can stop… I’ve had helicopters…they should have turned and stopped…” etc. This just gave him an opportunity to speak out on something he as some knowlege about and brag about how rich he is at the same time. Next thing you know he will be commenting about rape . . . from the rapist point of view (again) and of course once again defending the rapist. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/politicising-tragedy/1013625/7 "2025-01-30T17:27:05Z")
Trump is so awful and so stupid in his press conferences. He misunderstands the word ‘Drone’. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/politicising-tragedy/1013625/8 "2025-01-30T17:28:28Z")
I saw the start of the maundering “news briefing” and changed the channel before he got too far into the political stuff, which I assumed he would do. He no longer has any guardrails and can say and do anything he wants now. None of his Republican yes-men will ever question what he says, and he’ll just keep browbeating the press. This is the next four (or more) years, so I will be tuning out - there is nothing important he can say about tragedies that I cannot learn from more honest sources anyway. My suggestion is to just ignore him. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/politicising-tragedy/1013625/9 "2025-01-30T17:38:59Z")
( Is it my imagination or did his Press Conference start right at the time “The View” was supposed to start, effectively silencing the show for the day…? ) ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/politicising-tragedy/1013625/10 "2025-01-30T17:44:14Z")
That would not surprise me. Though it seems awfully clever for this bunch. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/politicising-tragedy/1013625/11 "2025-01-30T18:56:21Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > Right before the crash he even announced that a civil aviation safety board would be dismantled. [I am in the middle of lunch and can’t hunt down a cite right now.] This was just over a week ago. > **[Trump fires heads of TSA, Coast Guard and guts key aviation safety advisory...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-fires-heads-tsa-coast-224441644.html)** > > President Donald Trump moved quickly to remake the Department of Homeland Security Tuesday, firing the heads of the Transportation Security Administration and Coast Guard before their terms are up and eliminated all the members of a key aviation... > Members of the Aviation Security Advisory Committee received a memo Tuesday saying that the department is eliminating the membership of all advisory committees as part of a “commitment to eliminating the misuse of resources and ensuring that DHS activities prioritize our national security.” > > The aviation security committee, which was mandated by Congress after the 1988 PanAm 103 bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland, will technically continue to exist but it won’t have any members to carry out the work of examining safety issues at airlines and airports. Before Tuesday, the group included representatives of all the key groups in the industry — including the airlines and major unions — as well as members of a group associated with the victims of the PanAm 103 bombing. The vast majority of the group’s recommendations were adopted over the years. I doubt it had anything to do with the tragedy, but I’d also wager it’s going to make it difficult to implement improvements in response to it. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/politicising-tragedy/1013625/12 "2025-01-30T19:01:15Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > Right before the crash he even announced that a civil aviation safety board would be dismantled. It’s not as if he needs them. He’s already figured out what went wrong and who’s responsible. The only thing the Deep State bureaucrats could do would be to second-guess him and that cannot be allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/politicising-tragedy/1013625/13 "2025-01-30T19:15:30Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I doubt it had anything to do with the tragedy, but I’d also wager it’s going to make it difficult to implement improvements in response to it. Based on what I’m reading there it sounds like it wouldn’t be related at all. It sounds like the Aviation Security Advisory Committee advises on airport and airplane security (i.e terrorism prevention) not aircraft safety. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/politicising-tragedy/1013625/14 "2025-01-30T19:24:02Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Based on what I’m reading there it sounds like it wouldn’t be related at all. It sounds like the Aviation Security Advisory Committee advises on airport and airplane security (i.e terrorism prevention) not aircraft safety. I think you are right, this is more like 9/11 stuff and not actual **accidents**. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/politicising-tragedy/1013625/15 "2025-01-30T19:52:57Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > That would not surprise me. Though it seems awfully clever for this bunch. They can’t all be stupid. \< looks at the administration \> Well, I mean they Can… but it’s still convenient timing. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/politicising-tragedy/1013625/16 "2025-01-30T20:43:04Z")
> **[Trump fires heads of TSA, Coast Guard and guts key aviation safety advisory...](https://apnews.com/article/coast-guard-homeland-security-priorities-committees-trump-tsa-d3e4398c8871ada8d0590859442e092c)** > > President Donald Trump has moved quickly to remake the Department of Homeland Security by firing the heads of the Transportation Security Administration and Coast Guard before their terms are up while eliminating all the members of a key aviation... ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/politicising-tragedy/1013625/17 "2025-01-30T20:45:47Z")
That’s the exact same article I posted 2 hours ago (though I posted Yahoo’s hosting of the AP content) and what we were discussing briefly. I even replied to you specifically as I posted it. 😜 And as we suggested, it probably isn’t relevant here, because those are staff tasked with preventing intentional attacks on or with aircraft, such as terrorist attacks, and not mistakes that occur in the course of operating and managing aircraft.