# Poll: Buyers remorse for Obama's ACA among those who liked the idea. **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [February 18, 2014, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658 "2014-02-18T22:03:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/61 "2014-02-21T00:04:20Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > If that we’re true, I would reexamine my support. Actual people I talk to, however, are either unaffected or happy. talk to someone who had their hours cut. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/62 "2014-02-21T00:15:01Z")
How many of those people have you talked to? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/63 "2014-02-21T00:32:34Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > How many of those people have you talked to? pick any large chain and have at it. Not that you care. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/64 "2014-02-21T00:38:42Z")
I was for a nationalized system like all the other developed nations have and still am. Obamacare is, however and in my opinion, a vast improvement over what was in place before. ---
**Author:** ![bare](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bare/32/471_2.png) [@bare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bare)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/65 "2014-02-21T00:59:01Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > pick any large chain and have at it. > > Not that you care. Sour grapes? First your complaint is that it added cost and hurt the economy. Second that people’s hours were cut. I haven’t heard a single first hand account of either and the economy seems t be cooking right along. Let me guess where you get your news. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/66 "2014-02-21T01:00:28Z")
There’s no question that removing barriers to insurance is good. It’s the damage done in the process that is bad. It’s not the function of businesses to insure. Creating a benefit by harming others is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/67 "2014-02-21T01:32:24Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > Don’t they vote to repeal it every month or so? Just check the Congressional record. In what way does that come near answering my question. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/68 "2014-02-21T01:46:36Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Creating a benefit by harming others is wrong. Does that only apply to government, or are corporations subject to this judgement? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/69 "2014-02-21T05:32:41Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I find the results so far rather astounding. While I fully expected the general trend line of the results, I thought there’d be more then one—1—person who thought it was a good idea generally, based on the information we were given, but would have changed their minds based on what we know now. Spend a lot of time in the FoxNews echo chamber, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/70 "2014-02-21T07:09:36Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > pick any large chain and have at it. > > Not that you care. Gee, I knew lots of people at large chains who had their hours cut to keep them from qualifying for benefits before ACA. Not that you care. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/71 "2014-02-21T07:10:37Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > There’s no question that removing barriers to insurance is good. It’s the damage done in the process that is bad. It’s not the function of businesses to insure. > > Creating a benefit by harming others is wrong. Does that include getting a bigger executive bonus by laying off workers? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/72 "2014-02-21T07:16:20Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Magiver > There’s no question that removing barriers to insurance is good. It’s the damage done in the process that is bad. It’s not the function of businesses to insure. > > Creating a benefit by harming others is wrong. I can get behind the underlined sentence. It should be the function of government to provide universal health care. Someone should propose that to Congress. (Seriously, I don’t understand why business interests are not demanding government run health care.) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/73 "2014-02-21T11:17:15Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Gee, I knew lots of people at large chains who had their hours cut to keep them from qualifying for benefits before ACA. > Not that you care. then you understand more than Congress. If you raise the cost of doing business they will make up the difference somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/74 "2014-02-21T12:15:14Z")
So let’s lower the coat of doing business with single payer healthcare. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/75 "2014-02-21T14:59:46Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > So let’s lower the coat of doing business with single payer healthcare. What? That’s crazy talk! And socialist! and …er, something. I wasn’t for the ACA when proposed because I just looked at it as yet another cave by the administration. I am for it now, not because I think it is great, but because it is better than what we had. At some point the US will join the rest of the sane world and enact single-payer. I believe it is inevitable. When that happens I expect many Republicans to say they were always for it. Until then, however, Republicans will continue to fight tooth and nail to prop up the health insurance industry. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/76 "2014-02-21T15:18:32Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I can get behind the underlined sentence. It should be the function of government to provide universal health care. Someone should propose that to Congress. (Seriously, I don’t understand why business interests are not demanding government run health care.) And the sentence I underlined, not everyone agrees with, and some people are against the ACA precisely because they have serious reservations about government control. I admit to being sympathetic to those reservations; I worry about the government getting too big, having too much power, or being in control of too many things. On the other hand, I think we need to distinguish between the government providing _health care_ (i.e. government-run hospitals, doctors’ offices, etc.) and the government providing health care _coverage_. And I think that at least the latter is something that, like police protection, roads, and schools, is something that it makes sense from an efficiency and fairness standpoint for the government to have a hand in providing. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/77 "2014-02-21T16:04:09Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Seriously, I don’t understand why business interests are not demanding government run health care. Because it shifts the balance of power between worker and employer a little bit in the worker’s direction. And from the POV of business interests generally, that’s a Bad Thing. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/78 "2014-02-21T16:08:12Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > then you understand more than Congress. If you raise the cost of doing business they will make up the difference somewhere else. It’s not like they can raise prices on most things when so many people are just barely getting by. So they can’t make up the difference there. Considering our corporate overlords are making record profits in this era of continuing low employment and recession-in-all-but-name, it’s gonna come out of profits, and dividends to shareholders. Which is a Good Thing. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/79 "2014-02-21T17:20:10Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > then you understand more than Congress. If you raise the cost of doing business they will make up the difference somewhere else. Ever since child labor laws businesses have moaned and groaned about how the latest restrictions will just ruin their business. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658/80 "2014-02-21T18:27:48Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > then you understand more than Congress. If you raise the cost of doing business they will make up the difference somewhere else. I guess businesses must have it tough, what with record corporate profits in the last few years. Wait, that’s not record low profits, but record high profits? I guess corporations aren’t being ground under the heel of big government after all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-buyers-remorse-for-obamas-aca-among-those-who-liked-the-idea/681658.md?page=3)