# Poll: Does Romney's Mormonism bother you? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 8, 2011, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768 "2011-06-08T19:15:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768/81 "2011-06-10T15:17:48Z")
> [@Agent\_Foxtrot](#): > > If someone made a poll about Barack Obama and the majority responded, “I wouldn’t vote for Obama because he’s black,” there would be a board uproar to the likes we’ve never seen. Meh. I don’ t have any problem voting for a Mormon (I’m pretty much the last person in America that likes poor Harry Reid). But I can understand not doing so, and I hardly think thats equivalent of not voting on race. Black is the color of Obama’s skin, Mormonism is, at least in theory, the basis of Romney’s moral beliefs and view of the world. One of these are a lot more relevant to how someone will govern then the other. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768/82 "2011-06-10T15:31:27Z")
> [@Agent\_Foxtrot](#): > > I am surprised at these poll responses, with most of the respondents voting that they wouldn’t vote for him based on his religion. I thought our board was a little more progressive than that. There’s nothing progressive about ignoring someone’s self-identified, deep-seated belief systems in deciding whether to vote for them. Skin color, of course, is nothing like either political or religious creed. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768/83 "2011-06-10T15:39:45Z")
> [@spark240](#): > > There’s nothing progressive about ignoring someone’s self-identified, deep-seated belief systems in deciding whether to vote for them. > > Skin color, of course, is nothing like either political or religious creed. Actually, it’s not that much different. _Barack Obama is a secret Muslim. Barack Obama is a Black Panther._ _JFK will take orders from the Pope. JFK worships idols._ \*Mitt Romney will conduct witch hunts. \* _Joe Lieberman can’t work on Saturday mornings._ _Hillary Clinton could have her period during a national crisis!_ ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768/84 "2011-06-10T23:59:22Z")
> [@Imago](#): > > As a quietly Pagan lesbian, I’d be afraid to see a devout Mormon (not sure whether Romney qualifies as “devout”), Christian, Muslim or even strongly conservative Jew in office. I mean, apparently there are places in America now where honest-to-god witch hunts are already being called for. Cites please. > [@Dietrich\_K](#): > > Like 63 others (at the time of this posting), I, too, would never vote for a devout Mormon of any political party. And that means there are at least 64 bigots on SDMB… > [@Agent\_Foxtrot](#): > > I am surprised at these poll responses, with most of the respondents voting that they wouldn’t vote for him based on his religion. I thought our board was a little more progressive than that. > > If someone made a poll about Barack Obama and the majority responded, “I wouldn’t vote for Obama because he’s black,” there would be a board uproar to the likes we’ve never seen. Religious bigotry is always far more tolerated in progressive circles than racial bigotry. > [@shiftless](#): > > The operative word in the OP, for me anyway, was “devout.” This suggests that the candidate is not just a member of the religion but is guided mainly by the beliefs of that religion, before anything else. > > Bolding mine. This is what scares me about the devout. Their moral judgement is handed to them by a select group (the church) but they honestly believe that it is a universal morality. Everybody believes in universal morality of some sort or at least believes there needs to be laws reflecting a version of universal morality for social order. For example that is why murder and theft is illegal, it is just the details and extent of morality that politicians and people disagree on, [QUOTE] > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Sarah’s Palin’s former pastor in Wasilla led literal [witch hunts](http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2008/09/palins_new_pastor_problem.html) in Kenya. There is video of him blessing her and giving a prayer to protect her from witchcraft. > Palin is afraid of witches, thinks that humans and dinosaurs lived together Flintstones style, and believes that Alaska will be a refuge for the Left Behind after the Rapture. That has nothing to do with _persecuting_ witches. > [@](#): > > Bachmann belongs to a church which says that the Pope is the antichrist. The Antichrist or an Antichrist? Because if Catholics are not Christians (as some argue) that logically anybody Catholic would be an Antichrist because all nonbelievers are Antichrists (NOTE: I do not believe this myself). > [@](#): > > Rick Perry says he believes that anyone who does not believe specifically in Jesus goes “straight to Hell with a non-stop ticket.” Which is exactly what the Bible says. Indeed a lot of politicians probably believed this including (randomly selecting) William Gladstone or James K Polk and which never impacted their leadership. > [@](#): > > All of them are global warming deniers, all want to teach creationism in schools and all think that homosexuality is evil. The first has little to do with religion. Creationism in schools will probably get struck down in the Courts and saying homosexuality is evil is no different from believing adultery is evil in terms of effects. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768/85 "2011-06-11T01:18:28Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > .Religious bigotry is always far more tolerated in progressive circles than racial bigotry. I said that Romney’s religion didn’t bother me, but just for the record, youi can’t compare opinions about beliefs with racial bigotry. > [@](#): > > Everybody believes in universal morality of some sort or at least believes there needs to be laws reflecting a version of universal morality for social order. For example that is why murder and theft is illegal, it is just the details and extent of morality that politicians and people disagree on, Social order and “morality” are two different things. A lot of religious morality has nothing to do with practical social order, but with notions of ritual/sexual purity. > [@](#): > > That has nothing to do with _persecuting_ witches. Palin’s pastor [persecuted witches in Kenya](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Muthee). At least he claims he did. He might be full of shit (his version of the story is pretty silly). > [@](#): > > The Antichrist or an Antichrist? Because if Catholics are not Christians (as some argue) that logically anybody Catholic would be an Antichrist because all nonbelievers are Antichrists (NOTE: I do not believe this myself). There is zero distinction in stupidity or bigotry between these positions, but for the record what her church specifically says is that the “Papacy is the Antichrist.” Her church is the Wisconsin Lutheran Evangelical Synod. This is from their [Statement on the Antichrist](http://www.wels.net/about-wels/doctrinal-statements/antichrist) fgrom their own website: > [@](#): > > As Martin Luther grew in his appreciation of the gospel, he also grew in his recognition that the Papacy is the Antichrist. A 1954 WELS pamphlet entitled Antichrist put it this way: “It was because Luther cherished the Gospel so dearly that his faith instinctively recoiled and protested in unmistakable terms when the Pope put himself in the place of Christ and declared His work insufficient and in vain. That is the use to which Luther’s faith put the prophecy of Scripture. For him the tenet that the Pope is the Antichrist was an article of faith.” > > Luther left no doubt where he stood concerning the Papacy when he wrote, “This teaching [of the supremacy of the pope] shows forcefully that the Pope is the very Antichrist, who has exalted himself above, and opposed himself against Christ, because he will not permit Christians to be saved without his power, which, nevertheless, is nothing, and is neither ordained nor commanded by God. This is, properly speaking, to exalt himself above all that is called God. . . . The Pope, however, prohibits this faith, saying that to be saved a person must obey him” (Smalcald Articles, II, IV, 10-12). > > In the centuries after Luther’s death, Lutherans accepted this confessional statement without reservation or qualification. In the 1860s, however, doubts about this confessional statement were raised within Lutheranism. They arose from the Iowa Synod, which refused to grant doctrinal status to the teaching that the Papacy is the Antichrist. They listed this teaching under the category of “open questions.” The Missouri Synod took the lead, at that time, in defending the view of the Lutheran Confessions that the prophecies of Antichrist have been fulfilled in the Papacy. Seeing as how Barack Obama was barbecued for some mildly hyperbolic statements made by his own pastor, I don’t think Republican candidates should get a pass on the inflammatory positions taken by some of their own churches (especially if they’re going to call Romney a “heretic”). > [@](#): > > Which is exactly what the Bible says. Indeed a lot of politicians probably believed this including (randomly selecting) William Gladstone or James K Polk and which never impacted their leadership. The Bible does not say that, actually, and it’s still a stupid and disturbing thing for a POTUS candidate to say he believes in the 21st century. Would it affect Perry’s ability to lead? Perhaps not, but I didn’t cite it as a problem with Perry’s ability to lead, but to show that Romney’s beliefs are no more worrisome than anyone else in the GOP field, and I would argue are _less_ so than a lot of them. > [@](#): > > The first has little to do with religion. It’s still nutty and irrational. > [@](#): > > Creationism in schools will probably get struck down in the Courts It already has been. That doesn’t mean it’s not a stupid, irrational thing for a politician to believe. > [@](#): > > and saying homosexuality is evil is no different from believing adultery is evil in terms of effects. It’s not in the same ball park. Adultery (and I’m defining adultery only to mean marital infidelity which involves deception) causes emotional harm. Homosexuality does not. Can you explain what “evil” is done to anyone or anything by two consenting adults of the same gender having sex with each other? Is there anything “evil” about loving, committed same-sex relationships. More to the point, though, I was only pointing out that Romaney does not exactly have a stranglehold on irrational beliefs, but at least (as far as I know) he isn’t trying to codify his beliefs into law like a lot of these clowns. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768/86 "2011-06-11T01:27:10Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I said that Romney’s religion didn’t bother me, but just for the record, youi can’t compare opinions about beliefs with racial bigotry. I know however I was responding to others and if someone said “I wouldn’t vote for x just because he’s religion y” that is bigotry. Even if a politician was a Scientologist it wouldn’t be a matter of great concern unless he tried to implement something. > [@](#): > > Social order and “morality” are two different things. A lot of religious morality has nothing to do with practical social order, but with notions of ritual/sexual purity. Of course that depends on the person… > [@](#): > > Palin’s pastor [persecuted witches in Kenya](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Muthee). At least he claims he did. He might be full of shit (his version of the story is pretty silly). Hmm… > [@](#): > > There is zero distinction in stupidity or bigotry between these positions, but for the record what her church specifically says is that the “Papacy is the Antichrist.” > > Her church is the Wisconsin Lutheran Evangelical Synod. This is from their [Statement on the Antichrist](http://www.wels.net/about-wels/doctrinal-statements/antichrist) fgrom their own website: > > Seeing as how Barack Obama was barbecued for some mildly hyperbolic statements made by his own pastor, I don’t think Republican candidates should get a pass on the inflammatory positions taken by some of their own churches (especially if they’re going to call Romney a “heretic”). Rev. Wright’s statements were political while the statements mentioned above are theological. It merely posits that the views of the Vatican are not in accordance with that of the Bible. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > The Bible does not say that, actually, and it’s still a stupid and disturbing thing for a POTUS candidate to say he believes in the 21st century. Would it affect Perry’s ability to lead? Perhaps not, but I didn’t cite it as a problem with Perry’s ability to lead, but to show that Romney’s beliefs are no more worrisome than anyone else in the GOP field, and I would argue are _less_ so than a lot of them. > > It’s still nutty and irrational. > > It already has been. That doesn’t mean it’s not a stupid, irrational thing for a politician to believe. > > It’s not in the same ball park. Adultery (and I’m defining adultery only to mean marital infidelity which involves deception) causes emotional harm. Homosexuality does not. Can you explain what “evil” is done to anyone or anything by two consenting adults of the same gender having sex with each other? Is there anything “evil” about loving, committed same-sex relationships. > > More to the point, though, I was only pointing out that Romaney does not exactly have a stranglehold on irrational beliefs, but at least (as far as I know) he isn’t trying to codify his beliefs into law like a lot of these clowns. [/QUOTE] I misunderstood, my apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768/87 "2011-06-11T01:32:28Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Rev. Wright’s statements were political while the statements mentioned above are theological. It merely posits that the views of the Vatican are not in accordance with that of the Bible. It says a lot more than that, **Qin**. This is the final paragraph of the statement (on page 9): > [@](#): > > Since Scripture teaches that the Antichrist would be revealed and gives the marks by which the Antichrist is to be recognized (2 Th 2:6,8), and since this prophecy has been clearly fulfilled in the history and development of the Roman Papacy, **it is Scripture which reveals that the Papacy is the Antichrist.** You can’t really spin that as just a theological disagreement. It’s a statement that the Pope is the literal personification of evil. Do you really think Obama would get a pass if he belonged to a church that taught this? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768/88 "2011-06-11T02:10:53Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Do you really think Obama would get a pass if he belonged to a church that taught this? On the SDMB? Of course he would. If Romney were a liberal Democrat, his faith would be treated exactly the same way Obama’s Christianity is treated. Feel free to deny it; nobody with any pretensions to perspicacity will believe it for an instant. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768/89 "2011-06-11T02:15:42Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > On the SDMB? Of course he would. This is firstly a crock, and secondly an irrelevant evasion. > [@](#): > > [If Romney were a liberal Democrat, his faith would be treated exactly the same way Obama’s Christianity is treated. I am treating them the same already, dude. I don’t care about either. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768/90 "2011-06-11T02:24:21Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > This is firstly a crock, and secondly an irrelevant evasion. It is neither a crock nor an evasion. What I said is the exact and literal truth. It’s like **An Arky** ’s allegations that he would never vote for a Catholic. What he meant, and what you mean, and what a good 70% of the Dope means, is that they would never vote for a Republican. The stuff about religion is just a rationalization. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768/91 "2011-06-11T02:24:30Z")
The thing is, Romney isn’t exactly a blank slate. He has a record, and I’m pretty sure it doesn’t include turning the government of Massachusetts over to the LDS church. I won’t be voting for him unless Randall Terry wins the Democratic nomination, but seriously, the idea that he’s going to turn the White House over to the First Presidency makes as much sense as the allegations that Obama was some kind of Muslim trojan horse. ETA: He wants to privatize Social Security and repeal PPACA, but let’s focus on the magic underwearz! ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768/92 "2011-06-11T02:25:21Z")
**Qin** , is it bigotry to rule out the possibility of voting for a Communist? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768/93 "2011-06-11T02:27:32Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It is neither a crock nor an evasion. What I said is the exact and literal truth. It’s nothing but your own fantasy. > [@](#): > > It’s like **An Arky** ’s allegations that he would never vote for a Catholic. What he meant, and what you mean, and what a good 70% of the Dope means, is that they would never vote for a Republican. The stuff about religion is just a rationalization. What do you mean, what **I** mean? I clearly said that Romney’s religion was irrelevant to me, and that I would be upset to see Obama or the Democrats make an issue of it. Does Romney’s religion bother YOU? ---
**Author:** ![Imago](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/85e7bf/32.png) [@Imago](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Imago)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768/94 "2011-06-11T02:38:07Z")
> [@Agent\_Foxtrot](#): > > I am surprised at these poll responses, with most of the respondents voting that they wouldn’t vote for him based on his religion. I thought our board was a little more progressive than that. > > If someone made a poll about Barack Obama and the majority responded, “I wouldn’t vote for Obama because he’s black,” there would be a board uproar to the likes we’ve never seen. > > Cite? > > So not voting for a Pagan because she’s a Pagan: ignorant. Not voting for a Mormon because he’s a Mormon: perfectly fine. Not the article I originally found out from, [here’s your citation.](http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2011/03/25/harvard-social-transformation-conference-to-feature-avowed-witch-hunters/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=alternet) Look, if you wanted to not vote for me because I might turn your kids into tree-huggers, that’s fine. It’s not so much his religion as what he might do _because_ of his religion. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768/95 "2011-06-11T03:34:04Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It says a lot more than that, **Qin**. This is the final paragraph of the statement (on page 9): > > You can’t really spin that as just a theological disagreement. It’s a statement that the Pope is the literal personification of evil. Do you really think Obama would get a pass if he belonged to a church that taught this? Of course if the church instead called the Papacy the personification of evil because of the Inquisition, Galileo, and so on the reaction would be different. In addition similar language regarding the Vatican appears on the founding documents of most Protestant churches although nowadays most churches pay lipservice to them. > [@spark240](#): > > **Qin** , is it bigotry to rule out the possibility of voting for a Communist? Depends. If someone calls himself a Communist but actually advocates moderate conservative policies that it would be illogical to vote against him just because he’s calling himself a Communist. > [@Imago](#): > > Not the article I originally found out from, [here’s your citation.](http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2011/03/25/harvard-social-transformation-conference-to-feature-avowed-witch-hunters/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=alternet) > > Look, if you wanted to not vote for me because I might turn your kids into tree-huggers, that’s fine. It’s not so much his religion as what he might do _because_ of his religion. Has Romney at all associated with the people above? ---
**Author:** ![Imago](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/85e7bf/32.png) [@Imago](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Imago)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768/96 "2011-06-11T03:37:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Has Romney at all associated with the people above? Not that I’ve heard, but I said witch hunts were happening, not that Romney hunts witches. ---
**Author:** ![PandaBear77](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@PandaBear77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PandaBear77)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768/97 "2011-06-11T03:44:44Z")
Romney’s socialist bent bothers me way more than his Mormonism ever would. ---
**Author:** ![ITR\_champion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@ITR\_champion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ITR_champion)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768/98 "2011-06-11T05:44:18Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Palin’s pastor persecuted witches in Kenya. At least he claims he did. Really? Can we have a cite for that claim? Thus far all you’ve linked to is articles about Thomas Muthee and his stance on witchcraft, and Muthee is not Palin’s pastor now, nor has he ever been. While we’re at, how about some cites for your other claims in this thread as well. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2011, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-does-romneys-mormonism-bother-you/584768/99 "2011-06-11T05:47:29Z")
> [@ITR\_champion](#): > > Really? Can we have a cite for that claim? Thus far all you’ve linked to is articles about Thomas Muthee and his stance on witchcraft, and Muthee is not Palin’s pastor now, nor has he ever been. His whole campaign against a woman he claimed wa a witch is cited in the articvle. Read the fucking thing. > [@](#): > > While we’re at, how about some cites for your other claims in this thread as well. What specific claims do you want cites for? If I produce the cites, what are you going to say? ---
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