Poll finds Obama is the worst president since World War II

[iiandyiiii]

@adaher

They had a grand bargain, and Obama scuttled it by demanding another $400 billion at the last second. He never wanted a grand bargain. He just wanted to be seen as trying to compromise.

LOL. Of course Boehner’s going to spin a tale that shows himself in a better light. Same as the White House. Why would you accept Boehner’s version?

Meanwhile, Bob Woodward explains how relationships do matter and were extremely important during the debt ceiling negotiations:]

It’s not Obama’s fault that Boehner waited until after the last minute to put forward a bill that would actually pass both houses. It’s actually in Boehner’s political interest not to have a ‘good relationship’ with Obama. There’s no way the nutjobs in the Republican House caucus would allow a Speaker who actually acted reasonably with regards to the President.

So even if Woodward’s report is true, it doesn’t matter. The Republican leadership decided very, very early that they would oppose Obama at every turn – that the most important thing to them was making Obama into a failure as much as they could. And they’ve stuck to it.

[adaher]

Problem is, the White House never denied asking for more revenue at that meeting. Democrats pressured the White House to do that. So it seems that the President had more of a problem than Boehner did.

[iiandyiiii]

@adaher

Problem is, the White House never denied asking for more revenue at that meeting. Democrats pressured the White House to do that. So it seems that the President had more of a problem than Boehner did.

No. It’s a negotiation. If Boehner walks out because the President asks for something, that’s Boehner’s fault.

Especially considering that the President had a much stronger negotiating position. He didn’t have to offer any concessions at all – and he offered big ones.

In the end, remember, Boehner (and his caucus) lost anyway.

[adaher]

I agree that Republicans should have been more clever. They should have given him the $400 billion more and then put him on the spot. If he takes the deal, they get major cuts in entitlements.

Of course, one of the problems with Obama is that he can make a deal and then attack Republicans for “forcing” him to make cuts to entitlements. He’s just not a good faith negotiator.

[bengangmo]

@adaher

Problem is, the White House never denied asking for more revenue at that meeting. Democrats pressured the White House to do that. So it seems that the President had more of a problem than Boehner did.

You should try reading the articles you linked to,

In the second one it noted that Obama will willing to negotiate on the $400 billion - if the reduction is entitlements was less.

So sorry - still gotta go with them other guys as the ones that ran out on negotiations

[iiandyiiii]

@adaher

I agree that Republicans should have been more clever. They should have given him the $400 billion more and then put him on the spot. If he takes the deal, they get major cuts in entitlements.

Of course, one of the problems with Obama is that he can make a deal and then attack Republicans for “forcing” him to make cuts to entitlements. He’s just not a good faith negotiator.

Neither party is a “good faith negotiator”. I don’t think it’s possible to be a “good faith negotiator” with the current Republican House caucus.

[adaher]

@bengangmo

You should try reading the articles you linked to,

In the second one it noted that Obama will willing to negotiate on the $400 billion - if the reduction is entitlements was less.

So sorry - still gotta go with them other guys as the ones that ran out on negotiations

You’re right, the Republicans walked out and they deserve full blame for that. I still maintain though that the President never wanted a deal, he just wanted to be seen to be pursuing a deal.

And my latter point was true as well, because sure enough, the President agreed to a smaller deal and then attacked Republicans for the deal he agreed to.