# Poll: How many Dopers believe President Trump is an illegitimate President? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 20, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644 "2017-01-20T17:42:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/1 "2017-01-20T17:42:32Z")
How many on the board believe, as John Lewis, that President Trump is an illegitimate President, ie that Trump is in illegal occuation of the White House? And for those who vote illegitimate I’d be interested to know just which laws you believe were broken by Trump or his confederates. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/2 "2017-01-20T17:46:38Z")
He won according to the rules. I don’t like it, but whatevs. This may be a net positive for the left in the long run. We shall see. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/3 "2017-01-20T17:49:00Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > And for those who vote illegitimate I’d be interested to know just which laws you believe were broken by Trump or his confederates. The law of good taste. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/4 "2017-01-20T17:51:09Z")
Well, I was really hoping the CIA would release information this morning that the election was completely hacked by the Russians, that hordes of heavily armed Black Panthers were marching through Washington, DC, and that President Obama had declared martial law and called off the inauguration. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/5 "2017-01-20T17:53:13Z")
The Russian hacking was sketchy. The FBI announcements were sketchy. So how those things affected public opinion is troubling. At the end of the day though, the voters spoke and that’s that. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/6 "2017-01-20T17:59:58Z")
He had help from the KGB, the KKK, and the FBI. Plus the “liberal media” spent more time on Hillary’s email than on all other issues combined. Add to that some missing votes in Detroit, voter disenfranchising elsewhere and it’s clear that his “victory” was quite tainted. Perhaps not as tainted and illegitimate as Reagan, Nixon, and the Bushes but definitely not 100% legitimate. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/7 "2017-01-20T18:07:26Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > He had help from the KGB, the KKK, and the FBI. Plus the “liberal media” spent more time on Hillary’s email than on all other issues combined. Add to that some missing votes in Detroit, voter disenfranchising elsewhere and it’s clear that his “victory” was quite tainted. Perhaps not as tainted and illegitimate as Reagan, Nixon, and the Bushes but definitely not 100% legitimate. Is the rule in your mind that if an R wins, it’s “tainted and illegitimate”? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/8 "2017-01-20T18:09:11Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > He had help from the KGB, the KKK, and the FBI. Plus the “liberal media” spent more time on Hillary’s email than on all other issues combined. Add to that some missing votes in Detroit, voter disenfranchising elsewhere and it’s clear that his “victory” was quite tainted. Perhaps not as tainted and illegitimate as Reagan, Nixon, and the Bushes but definitely not 100% legitimate. Huh. I would have thought that the shenanigans this election would surely exceed your ridiculous theories on why Reagan and the first Bush presidencies were illegitimate. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/9 "2017-01-20T18:14:43Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Huh. I would have thought that the shenanigans this election would surely exceed your ridiculous theories on why Reagan and the first Bush presidencies were illegitimate. You think deliberately undermining the Iranian hostage negotiations was all peachy-keen? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/10 "2017-01-20T18:15:05Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > He had help from the KGB, the KKK, and the FBI. Plus the “liberal media” spent more time on Hillary’s email than on all other issues combined. Add to that some missing votes in Detroit, voter disenfranchising elsewhere and it’s clear that his “victory” was quite tainted. Perhaps not as tainted and illegitimate as Reagan, Nixon, and the Bushes but definitely not 100% legitimate. Haven’t you claimed before that not a single Republican since Eisenhower has won the presidency fair and square? Including even Reagan’s 49-state landslide in 1984 and Bush’s 40-state victory in 1988? **Edit** : Ninja’d by **CarnalK**. By the way, the KGB doesn’t exist anymore, although Russia does still have intelligence agencies meddling in America, of course. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/11 "2017-01-20T18:15:22Z")
It wouldn’t matter if everything in the voting was on the up and up. He has repeatedly demonstrated his inability to do the job, and wants his VP to do all the work. He can’t even handle people saying bad things about him. So he’s not legitimate. We have Baby Trump and his handlers. And then Acting President Pence who I’m praying will be able to handle everything. That’s the only way we make it through these next 2-4 years. I frankly don’t even regard Trump as a person. A person has empathy for others. Trump doesn’t. And, since he’s not a person, he can’t legitimately hold any office. I’m tired of this bullshit where we say Freedom of Speech means freedom to be a psychopath. In a just society, Trump would have been arrested and removed from society for being evil long before he had a change to run for anything. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/12 "2017-01-20T18:21:44Z")
The Electoral Vote is correct … Congress certified the results … The Donald is over 35 … looks to me like The Donald is our President now … We should completely trust our Congress to remove him from office if he proves to be unqualified … yup … blind trust … what could go wrong? ETA: I guaranty four votes to impeach, two votes to remove … easy peasy … Oregon has recall … ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/13 "2017-01-20T18:26:30Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > It wouldn’t matter if everything in the voting was on the up and up. He has repeatedly demonstrated his inability to do the job, and wants his VP to do all the work. He can’t even handle people saying bad things about him. So he’s not legitimate. > > We have Baby Trump and his handlers. And then Acting President Pence who I’m praying will be able to handle everything. That’s the only way we make it through these next 2-4 years. > > I frankly don’t even regard Trump as a person. A person has empathy for others. Trump doesn’t. And, since he’s not a person, he can’t legitimately hold any office. > > I’m tired of this bullshit where we say Freedom of Speech means freedom to be a psychopath. In a just society, Trump would have been arrested and removed from society for being evil long before he had a change to run for anything. Trump Derangement Syndrome: it’s real ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/14 "2017-01-20T18:33:50Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > You think deliberately undermining the Iranian hostage negotiations was all peachy-keen? I am aware of that conspiracy theory. It’s rather silly to think secret negotiations were required for the Iranian government to give Carter the finger. At the end of the day, you’re pissed that Carter didn’t get a chance to parade around the freed hostages as a campaign gimmick. Not a very defensible grudge to hold. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/15 "2017-01-20T18:36:43Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > You think deliberately undermining the Iranian hostage negotiations was all peachy-keen? With stagflation, the failed Eagle Claw operation, and low morale nationwide, I think it’s very arguable that Carter would have lost anyway even if there were no hostage-tampering. I’m waiting to hear your explanation as to why 1984, 1988 and 2004 weren’t legit outcomes. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/16 "2017-01-20T18:42:02Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I’m waiting to hear your explanation as to why 1984, 1988 and 2004 weren’t legit outcomes. It’s a simple, if somewhat stupid, explanation. Since Reagan’s first election was illegitimate, he never should have been an incumbent around for the next election. Ditto Bush Sr would not have been the sitting VP riding Reagan’s legacy while running for the Presidency. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/17 "2017-01-20T18:43:11Z")
I voted “legitimate,” but I’d love to be proved wrong. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/18 "2017-01-20T18:44:30Z")
Unfortunately, Trump’s presidency is legitimate. He carried the majority of electoral votes, the votes were certified, and he took the oath office as certified by the Constitution. I wish it weren’t so, and that it was Hillary Clinton being inaugurated today, but I reluctantly accept Donald Trump as President for at least the next four years. I’m not going stick my head in the sand and say, “Not my President!” ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/19 "2017-01-20T18:44:33Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > It’s a simple, if somewhat stupid, explanation. Since Reagan’s first election was illegitimate, he never should have an incumbent around for the next election. Ditto Bush Sr would not have been the sitting VP riding Reagan’s legacy while running for the Presidency. True - although that argument by him is so butterfly-effect-ish that by that logic, without Reagan’s 1980 “illegitimate” win, it’s very possible that neither Bill Clinton nor Barack Obama, down the road, get elected POTUS either… ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644/20 "2017-01-20T18:45:41Z")
Loathe him as I do, he is nevertheless the lawfully-elected President of the United States. That didn’t keep me from starting this thread, though: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=816812](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=816812) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-how-many-dopers-believe-president-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/777644.md?page=2)