# Poll on Trump’s Wall **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 23, 2018, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-on-trump-s-wall/826566 "2018-12-23T12:19:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2018, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-on-trump-s-wall/826566/41 "2018-12-25T23:34:16Z")
> [@Tempe\_Jeff](#): > > I have a wall around my Property to keep folks out; not, to keep me in. I live in Arizona and our schools are suffering from all the kids that the illegals brought with them. They do not pay in taxes what they use in services. This claim is unmitigated bullshit. [_Vox_: “Undocumented immigrants pay billions of dollars in federal taxes each year.”](https://www.vox.com/2018/4/13/17229018/undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes) These immigrants are not eligible for most federal benefits and very few state benefits (especially in Arizona, which is particularly hostile to undocumented immigrants) while contributing to the economy in both the labor they provide, and income and sales taxes they pay. Primary education is a general benefit that has long been recognized as an advantage to society as a whole in that it provides an educated labor base. And those “kids that the illegals brought with them” are likely going to be the people taking care of you in your dotage, so you just might want them to be literate and educable. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-on-trump-s-wall/826566/42 "2018-12-26T00:17:58Z")
Typing the word ‘Property’ with a capital\* P,\* like it’s a proper noun, even though used as a common noun? That’s a red flag for _something._ ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-on-trump-s-wall/826566/43 "2018-12-26T10:20:14Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Yes, I am aware of what Democrats say _about_ Reagan. But as I remember it, Reagan-era Republican rhetoric wasn’t as big on _closed borders_ as things have gotten since. Did Pat Buchanan really win the election in 1992? I thought it was that hillbilly guy, Clinton or something. Wow, did you miss the point. Happily, **Tempe Jeff** made it for me: The people who want a border wall are the ones who are Greatly Concerned about those brown people coming up here and grabbing welfare money. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-on-trump-s-wall/826566/44 "2018-12-26T16:51:51Z")
Has “The Wall” always meant filling in all the non-walled parts of the southern border? Does anyone credible suggest that any of the existing wall be torn down? Would that mean then, that generally most believe we have just enough wall right now? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-on-trump-s-wall/826566/45 "2018-12-26T18:13:12Z")
The only wall I want to see is the one trump gets stood up against for treason. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-on-trump-s-wall/826566/46 "2018-12-26T18:54:18Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > Has “The Wall” always meant filling in all the non-walled parts of the southern border? > > Does anyone credible suggest that any of the existing wall be torn down? Would that mean then, that generally most believe we have just enough wall right now? Isn’t a lot of what we have now fence? I don’t know that the television networks care about credible arguments as much as sensationalism, but I think there are places we could lose the barriers. Ieva Jusionyte might have an argument to that effect: [What **I Learned as an EMT at the Border Wall** - Working at the U.S.-Mexico border, I saw how the barrier injures those who attempt to cross it.](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/threshold-tk/572833/) ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2018, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-on-trump-s-wall/826566/47 "2018-12-26T23:33:54Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > On second thought, it might be good to tighten up on those icebacks coming from the north. _[aAA-aaaaaaaaaaaaaAH! We come from the land of the ice and snow](https://youtu.be/5eHkjPCGXKQ)_ ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2018, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-on-trump-s-wall/826566/48 "2018-12-27T00:31:28Z")
**foolsguinea** asked who the base is for all this Wall stuff and anti-immigrant hubbub. There was always some support for racism and hatred toward foreign people, but there was a tremendous growth in the number and strength of hate groups when we finally elected a brown president (see link below). At the same time, a flock of opinion-benders became more popular, some of them on Fox News Channel. The people who hate and fear immigrants build those emotions on a foundation of misinformation and disinformation. [https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch](https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poll-on-trump-s-wall/826566.md?page=2)