To me, “setback” is much more physical than temporal in sense. Consider a board game: you’ve got a goal, and you’re progressing forward along a physical path, toward it (sweet, a ladder!). If you experience a “setback” (stupid chute!), you move backward along that path, away from your goal. So yes, you will get to your goal later, but it’s not because the goal has been *temporally *set back, farther away from you; rather, your progress has been *physically *set back, and you are farther away from your goal. If it were a purely temporal issue, all you’d have to do to get to your goal is wait.
Yes, your progress has also been set back in time, in a sense, but to me, that means earlier, not later. If I accidentally delete all these files I’ve been working on, then my progress on the project is now “back where it was three weeks ago”. In other words, my progress on the project has traveled back in time - or more accurately, it’s effectively been frozen in time, three weeks ago. My deadline and the rest of the world, unfortunately, have not, and I am screwed.
Also, for the people who insist that “move up” must mean “move later” because that’s how it looks on a calendar… What if you list the dates vertically?
Admit it: it just has to do with your own personal view of time. Neither interpretation makes you stupid or crazy.
You ------------------ A box
You -------------------------- Pushed-back box
You wouldn’t pull the box closer to you and say it had been “pushed back.” Similarly, I wouldn’t move a meeting closer to me in time and say it had been “pushed back.”
ETA:
More hot-hot dictionary action, this time for forward:
So when you move something forward, you situate it in advance of its original time.
This is my analysis as well, but the problem people seem to have digesting that is they’re not looking at the meeting’s position relative to their own. They are looking at the meeting as a thing which experiences time and moves forward through it the same way a sentient being does.
I’d replace box with car in your setup. The car and I face each other (seeing as how we’re due to intersect at some future point in time). I move forward (towards the car) at a rate of 1 day per day. The car is normally stationary, but if it moves forward (from the car’s point of view, a forward direction towards its inevitable intersection with me), then we meet much sooner. And hopefully the owner has insurance.
I agree with this. People are calling out stupid/crazy/psychotic as it this was a deeply held religious belief.
It seems like in this thread, it’s mostly the Fridays who are calling the Mondays crazy and refusing to even see how Monday is a possible valid interpretation. IMO, this is knee-jerk defensiveness brought on by the fact that the Monday version does seem to be, in the world at large, the more common/“official” interpretation, so the Fridays themselves are constantly told that they’re wrong/stupid/crazy.
I think that the OP is being proved through and through.
For you Fridays who think that all of us Mondays are batshit insane, here’s another way to think of it. Picture yourself standing in the middle of a giant chessboard. The chessboard is without time, it only had spacial dimensions. Since there is no game of chess going on, there is no white side or black side. You have no idea which way the pawns move.
A few squares away from you is a queen. “Bring her forward”, you say. Does she get closer to you or further away?
Now replace the chessboard with a calendar, and the queen with a board room table.
I just took a poll of my office and all of the engineers polled (3) said that the meeting was on Monday while the lone liberal arts guys said that it would depend on your definition of forward. I went back and asked the engineers if they could give me multiple definitions of forward in time and I got two no’s and one that could after he thought about it for a bit.
I would be curious to see how much of the differences have to do with training.
There’s an interesting psychology/NPL exercise called Timeline. I won’t post the whole thing, but I’ll post a little bit of it.
You’re standing in a big open space. Under your feet is a line. The line stretches out infinitely in both directions. Next to you is a sign that says “Now.” Really far away on the line is a sign that says “My Birth.” In the other direction is a sign that says “My Death.”
Can you picture it? Now… How is the line oriented in relation to you, and in which directions are the signs? Right, left, in front, in back? Diagonal?
Interesting that you think of the signs moving in relation to you, rather than you moving along the line. And you’re a Friday! I think of me moving, and I’m a Monday. Weird, man.
Not to get too far off topic, but you don’t need the magic of Jebus to move your death sign around. Geez, I work for a huge place where our sole product is moving the death sign further away.
You know, given the prevalence of people with a concept of time where they stay still, and events move towards them, I can kind of understand now why people just assumed the Earth was the center of the Universe, with everything revolving around it.