# Polygamy: The Answers **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 15, 2012, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274 "2012-07-15T03:06:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/61 "2012-07-15T18:15:23Z")
> [@FounderChurch](#): > > **YES, they are very different** , Same Sex “Marriage” is always bad and negative with no redeeming social values, while Plural Marriage is always a positive with lots of redeeming social values. Oh for cripes sake. CITE? Puh-lease. :rolleyes: I have three friends who are in same sex relationships and doing just fine despite your arrogant contempt. Two of the couples have children. Their children show no signs of dysfunction. Meanwhile I’ve read three books about polygamy that presented a very unflattering view of it. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/62 "2012-07-15T18:27:47Z")
> [@FounderChurch](#): > > **I choose my words very carefully** , and I do use absolutes and generalizations when I think they are appropriate. > > \*\*As for cites, I give none, \*\*and no referrals, no evidence, no proofs, no footnotes, and no statistics. I give only my opinion, nothing more nothing less. This is a forum of opinion not a court of law, or a University seminar, or a school paper, or a graduate thesis. > > **If anyone wants evidence, I suggest you get your own, I do my own research, and suggest you do yours.** > > 🙂 So in other words “I’m right because I say I’m right and you’re wrong because I disagree.” Riiiight. Then equally valid is my hypothosis that everything you have said is laughingly, delusionally wrong. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/63 "2012-07-15T18:37:02Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > If a man with three wives has [oral or anal](http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_law) sex with one or more of them, is that a “sodomistic” marriage? So puritanical, let’s spice things up a bit. A man is married to three wives. Sister wife A and sister wife B are having oral and/or anal sex with each other while the husband watches and gets off but does not have any direct sexual contact with either of them. Sister wife C who was blissfully ignorant of such activities walks in on them. How many cases of adultery have occurred, and is the husband guilty of sodomy or onanism? ---
**Author:** ![FounderChurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@FounderChurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FounderChurch)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/64 "2012-07-15T18:37:24Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > So in other words “I’m right because I say I’m right and you’re wrong because I disagree.” > > Riiiight. > > Then equally valid is my hypothosis that everything you have said is laughingly, delusionally wrong. > > 🙂 **NO, that is just your opinion** , and it only has the value I give it, and I give it zero value. As for your deluded mind, you can think whatever nonsense you want, with my blessing. I care nothing for what any Heathen or Democrat thinks, and address nothing to them, and hope to teach them nothing at all. I speak only to Conservative Believers and only have interest in them. ---
**Author:** ![FounderChurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@FounderChurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FounderChurch)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/65 "2012-07-15T18:40:19Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > In that case, I’ve reported this thread for a forum change. This forum is where you must give cites, evidence and “proofs”. We have other forums for ranting or opining. \*\*Quote me the rules that you are citing, as you seem to love to cite and quote. I don’t believe they exist. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/66 "2012-07-15T18:43:19Z")
Well, I’m totally down with the whole Heathen thing. But isn’t Wotanism a form of Heathenism? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/67 "2012-07-15T18:44:12Z")
> [@FounderChurch](#): > > \*\*As for cites, I give none, \*\*and no referrals, no evidence, no proofs, no footnotes, and no statistics. I give only my opinion, nothing more nothing less. This is a forum of opinion not a court of law, or a University seminar, or a school paper, or a graduate thesis. This forum is about debate. Debate is not throwing out opinions randomly, it is about creating and challenging viewpoints by use of logical argument and evidence. If you want a discussion that involves a lot of “Yuh-HUH!” “Nuh-UH!” and “that’s what YOU say!” then there are plenty of other forums where that’s the norm. If asking you to support what you claim is too onerous, first of all, this might not be the right place for you, and second, it tends to confirm what quite a few of us already suspect, in that your case simply cannot be supported by evidence for those who do not have the unquestioning faith that you already have. > [@](#): > > Beyond that I don’t condemn. I do condemn those who are so evil… I hope you realize what an enormous, obvious contradiction this is. You _do_ condemn, you have categorically condemned a large number of Americans already in this thread. If you’re going to be critical of other people, just do it and don’t claim that you are a live-and-let-live sort of person. In any case, I see that you have failed to respond to my question about why plural marriage is _always_ good, specifically as it applies to the case of Warren Jeffs. Not that I really expected any kind of substantive answer from you on that point. I am surprised that you doubled-down on the “polygamy is always good,” though – one would think that a well-known case of serial rape and child abuse would make most people think about the question a little more. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/68 "2012-07-15T18:46:04Z")
> [@FounderChurch](#): > > **NO, that is just your opinion** , and it only has the value I give it, and I give it zero value. As for your deluded mind, you can think whatever nonsense you want, with my blessing. I care nothing for what any Heathen or Democrat thinks, and address nothing to them, and hope to teach them nothing at all. I speak only to Conservative Believers and only have interest in them. Huh. As a once and future democratic candidate for elected office I find myself bemused. But you did say my post was intelligent, though. So I got that going for me. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/69 "2012-07-15T18:50:17Z")
> [@FounderChurch](#): > > \*\*Quote me the rules that you are citing, as you seem to love to cite and quote. I don’t believe they exist. > \*\* It’s not a rule, it’s a board convention. We have a form called Great Debates which, not surprisingly, is for debates. As opposed to opinions which go in, not surprisingly, In My Humble Opinion or Mundane Pointless Stuff I Must Share. Your thread belongs in one of those two forums, and so I’ve reported it for a forum change. I predict I will be right. That is, if this thread doesn’t get closed and “further action” taken. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/70 "2012-07-15T18:52:23Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > So in other words “I’m right because I say I’m right and you’re wrong because I disagree.” > [@FounderChurch](#): > > **NO, that is just your opinion** , and it only has the value I give it, and I give it zero value. I’d say **silenus** pretty much nailed it. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/71 "2012-07-15T18:53:29Z")
Huh, again. While you’re right in general, Mace, this IS the forum for religious discussions and witnessing. Those are two fairly uncite-able topics. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/72 "2012-07-15T18:57:42Z")
> [@FounderChurch](#): > > \*\*As for cites, I give none, \*\*and no referrals, no evidence, no proofs, no footnotes, and no statistics. I give only my opinion, nothing more nothing less. This is a forum of opinion not a court of law, or a University seminar, or a school paper, or a graduate thesis. If you don’t want to post in the style of this forum, why post here at all? I’ll give you a shot to make an argument with cites; if not, I’ll close this thread. And yes, the navy blue text is annoying because it makes it harder for people to quote your posts without a bunch of broken code. ---
**Author:** ![FounderChurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@FounderChurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FounderChurch)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/73 "2012-07-15T18:57:44Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > It’s not a rule, it’s a board convention. We have a form called Great Debates which, not surprisingly, is for debates. As opposed to opinions which go in, not surprisingly, In My Humble Opinion or Mundane Pointless Stuff I Must Share. > > Your thread belongs in one of those two forums, and so I’ve reported it for a forum change. I predict I will be right. That is, if this thread doesn’t get closed and “further action” taken. **Don’t threaten me to try and intimidate me**. If the site wants me out, that is their business, and I’ll be happy to go. I love this site, but I only want to be where I am wanted. **If those kinds of threats you are making are not against the rules they should be**. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/74 "2012-07-15T18:58:44Z")
> [@FounderChurch](#): > > **NO, that is just your opinion** , and it only has the value I give it, and I give it zero value. But that is all your contribution to this thread consists of; your unsubstantiated opinions. Seems odd you would point out the spec in someone else’s eye… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/75 "2012-07-15T19:00:14Z")
> [@FounderChurch](#): > > **Don’t threaten me to try and intimidate me**. If the site wants me out, that is their business, and I’ll be happy to go. I love this site, but I only want to be where I am wanted. > > **If those kinds of threats you are making are not against the rules they should be**. If you’re threatened by an answer to a question you asked, then you shouldn’t ask any questions. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/76 "2012-07-15T19:01:40Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Huh, again. While you’re right in general, Mace, this IS the forum for religious discussions and witnessing. Those are two fairly uncite-able topics. This isn’t witnessing. ---
**Author:** ![FounderChurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@FounderChurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FounderChurch)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/77 "2012-07-15T19:02:22Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > If you don’t want to post in the style of this forum, why post here at all? I’ll give you a shot to make an argument with cites; if not, I’ll close this thread. And yes, the navy blue text is annoying because it makes it harder for people to quote your posts without a bunch of broken code. I can easily not post in blue if that is a problem. As for cites, I don’t see anyone else citing much of anything, but it you want me in particular to produce cites for everything I say, I guess you just don’t want me on here. Sorry, I won’t post anymore, as I just can’t do that. But, thanks for the time I was here. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/78 "2012-07-15T19:05:28Z")
> [@FounderChurch](#): > > **NO, that is just your opinion** , and it only has the value I give it, and I give it zero value. As for your deluded mind, you can think whatever nonsense you want, with my blessing. I care nothing for what any Heathen or Democrat thinks, and address nothing to them, and hope to teach them nothing at all. I speak only to Conservative Believers and only have interest in them. Cool story, brololo. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/79 "2012-07-15T19:09:59Z")
> [@FounderChurch](#): > > \*\* > **Don’t get me started on all the negatives involved in same sex marriage**. It deserves a thread of its own. > > **BTW** : There is NO contradiction. You read the sentence incorrectly. > > 🙂 Okay, so it does. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15274807#post15274807](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15274807#post15274807) ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274/80 "2012-07-15T19:11:18Z")
> [@](#): > > I don’t condemn. I do condemn… those Ha, ha, ha! Okay, that’s the first outright laugh in this whole sad comedy routine. I suggest more practice. > [@](#): > > those who are so evil they have no respect for anything including the creation of our universe. Such people I disrespect, because they disrespect me and everyone and everything. I call them totally evil. So anyone who doesn’t share your version, of the creation of the universe, is ‘totally evil’? Doesn’t your book say you’re not supposed to judge others? I’m so glad you don’t condemn, at least.:rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/polygamy-the-answers/628274.md?page=5)