# Poor UncleBeer. They other mods are keeping him out of the loop. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 15, 2000, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437 "2000-06-15T03:47:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/1 "2000-06-15T03:47:52Z")
\*\* > [@](#): > > There isn’t one factual statement in that entire bucket of bile you vomited up. What an incredible load of bullshit. > I dare ya to come back as a sock puppet You lose. Lynn confessed to every word. OH, Lynn, baby, You wanted to know how I knew you’d broken into Parrot’s account by guessing his password. I DIDN’T. You confessed for nothing. I knew about the IMPOSTER of BANNED, the one with only 11 posts, who was right above me in Coosa’s thread warning me. So, I guess it was your screwing over of Parrot that started all my problems. Once he got to clone me, I was banned, and then all the Coldfire’s kept saying there must be a reason. No. Turns out there was no reason. Seems like your tirades are snagging a lot of regular posters as fallout. I’m sure you think this is cute, but we don’t. Thanks, coosa, but your trollhunting backfired on me. Not your fault, but next time, please don’t post alerts like that. Find a quiet way to reach people, like email. > [@](#): > > coosa: \*\* > A second poster has registered as ‘BANNED’ and started posting. The same thing happened with ‘Osip’ a few days ago. Lynn has been e-mailed. > > Please check the registration date on any posts by this name before taking offense - the original BANNED registered in May, the imposter registered in June. > > To the extent that I’ve read his/her posts, the original BANNED has been a good poster, and I wouldn’t want to see anyone get upset with him/her for something said by a cowardly imposter. > \*\* Oh, and you SAY you can find me again, but I’m sure you’ll “find” a few innocent bystanders first. Bye Bye. ---
**Author:** ![Ayesha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c0e974/32.png) [@Ayesha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ayesha)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/2 "2000-06-15T04:14:40Z")
It’s baaaaaaack ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/3 "2000-06-15T04:20:48Z")
Wow - my DSL connection was dead for three days, and I have no idea what this means. I must have just missed the most Superhuman Titanic Struggle for Dominance of a Web Board ever! Stupid freaking SW Bell! ---
**Author:** ![Ayesha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c0e974/32.png) [@Ayesha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ayesha)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/4 "2000-06-15T04:22:57Z")
Anybody wanna bet on how long it takes for this incarnation of Banned/WebMaster to get the boot ? ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/5 "2000-06-15T04:28:46Z")
Anthracite, I was here the entire time, and I still am confused about what is going on. :Sigh: I guess the things that get people all riled up right under my nose, I don’t even see. ---
**Author:** ![Ayesha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c0e974/32.png) [@Ayesha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ayesha)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/6 "2000-06-15T04:34:20Z")
Damn, that was quick ! ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/7 "2000-06-15T04:52:23Z")
Is there any way to keep people from changing their email address to one that they don’t have access to. Perhaps make it automatically change their password and email it to them when they change email addresses. Either that or this cretinous piece of shit actually has the email address [unclebeer@straightdope.net](mailto:unclebeer@straightdope.net). I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that Lynn’s “confession” is a complete fabrication, and that she never guessed Parrot’s password. This is so improbable that I barely even consider it “going out on a limb.” If you have this confession or a link to it, please email me with it and I will fully retract this statement (assuming there is any semblance of veracity in the proof). Otherwise, you are lying and harassing moderators, both of which are not allowed according to the registration agreement (which is a moot point now, but two more to add to the list). Is there a more effective way of keeping this degenerate from returning? I’m hoping that his ISP has been notified of this sort of behavior. Perhaps some hit men could be hired. Actually, the best way might be to simply delete entire threads started by this demented fucko until he gets the point that he is not only unwelcome here, but also completely unable to defend himself. I don’t know. There seem to be a couple people hellbent on completely fucking up the pleasant experience that is the SDMB. If there is anything at all that I can do to help thwart their schemes, I will do it. I await word from on high as to how I can do my part to help the fight against this particular ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![techchick68](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@techchick68](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/techchick68)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/8 "2000-06-15T04:55:47Z")
\< giggling her ass off that people get banned so quickly \> Thanks for that, I was sitting here pissed off over my Windows 98 and I think you won the quickest ban ever! ROFLMfuckingAO ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/9 "2000-06-15T05:06:29Z")
::said in Madeline Kahn’s voice: it’s _twoo, it’s twoo!_:: The hideous truth is revealed about the SDMB inner workings at last! Ed “Zotty” lives solely to send obscene email to juveniles; AlphaGene drowns litters of newborn kittens in his official SDMB mug; Lynn and Tuba stir cauldrons of chocolate and vile spirits to condemn the innocent; Arnold and Manny are hapless dupes being seduced to the Dark Side; David B. is a known agent of Satan (the _other_ one); Gaudere seduces weak men with wit and great gams; Eutychus is a viper in smoothly harmless guise… And they’re all nesting together–the vipers–mocking and revelling in UncleBeer’s downfall. Now the truth is told. The Father of Guy Stuff, the outspoken, irreverent, funny insider ::cues music for Twilight Zone:: is a just a stalking goat to lead hapless Dopers into the trap. They gather in dreadful union and mock, _mock_, UncleBeer’s innocence! They revel in perverse celebration as UncleBeer, in carefully crafted ignorance, flounders in the very ignorance they puport to fight! Yeah, right. This is the same gullible person who aided, encouraged and promoted castrating a moose, hijacking a beer truck, hijacking a Winnebago fulla nuns, terrorized 5 states and at least 2 Canadian provinces, drafted fellow Dopers for tacky but fun ::evil glare:: assignments and has featured at Doper get-togethers, drank everyone under the table and _hasn’t been photographed naked yet!_ Yeah, UncleBeer is a real puppet. ::sneers, spits:: Veb (Does that qualify as a flame? Huh, huh? Pretty please?) ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/10 "2000-06-15T05:18:02Z")
Actually, Techchick, the fastest ban I have ever seen is the case of Michael M, who’s banning took eight minutes, as evidenced [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=19683). ---
**Author:** ![beakerxf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc79bd/32.png) [@beakerxf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beakerxf)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/11 "2000-06-15T05:24:24Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that Lynn’s “confession” is a complete fabrication, and that she never guessed Parrot’s password. This is so improbable that I barely even consider it “going out on a limb.” If you have this confession or a link to it, please email me with it and I will fully retract this statement (assuming there is any semblance of veracity in the proof). I think he’s refering to a post in this thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=27526](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=27526) Of course, he has majorly distorted what Lynn said. She seemed to have legitimate reasons to do what she did. Frankly, this whole thing leaves my head hurting. I have read and re-read the OP a few times and can’t figure what the hell is going on. Why exactly does he have a beef with coosa? Unless Whatever was the imposter BANNED, then I don’t understand why he would have a problem. If he was the imposter BANNED then he should understand that stealing identities is a good enough reason to be booted and is not a personal vendetta on the part of the mods. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/12 "2000-06-15T05:56:20Z")
So, Lynn saw Parrot’s password in her administering duties and let him know that it was painfully obvious. And she admitted that she has changed passwords on banned posters, although from the context, it seems that she does this after banning them. I think that someone with some ability in this regard really needs to make a couple changes to the VB software to make emphatically troll-unfriendly. Changes that would help, in my opinion would be: 1. Banned members have no profile or sigs. 2. Restrictions on allowable names, such as no leading spaces. 3. As mentioned above, email addresses are reverified when changed. I understand that this might not be possible at the present time, but I would like to see this person prevented from ever returning, and breeding as well, if possible. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/13 "2000-06-15T06:32:49Z")
waterj2, many of the things you propose have been suggested by the SDMB administrators as enhancements to vBulletin. vBulletin is more stable than UBB (remember when the board had to be brought down for maintenance several times a week? and notice that it’s **never** happened since the vBulletin upgrade?) but some features in UBB didn’t make it to vBulletin. vBulletin also has a forum that you can go read if you’re interested. [http://www.vbulletin.com](http://www.vbulletin.com) ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/14 "2000-06-15T06:33:38Z")
waterj2: Yes, yes, yes, and (in regards to the breeding) HELL YES! We’ve let the vBulletin people know that there are security holes. We are hoping that there will soon be patches. In the meantime, we’re doing the best that we can. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/15 "2000-06-15T06:34:55Z")
> [@](#): > > originally posted by TVeblen > Arnold and Manny are hapless dupes being seduced to the Dark Side; How did you know? But don’t underestimate the power of the dark side! ---
**Author:** ![Alpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Alpha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alpha)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/16 "2000-06-15T06:34:55Z")
I think I have placed thing into a time line. Here’s the sequence I get out of it, from the above, plus the thread where UncleBeer gets mad at Webmaster: 1. Lynn wants to ban Parrot, but instead of regular banning changes his password to lock him out. 2. He gets pissed and takes on a bunch of identities. Osip, if I recall, and Ayesha, and BANNED. All people who have recently done a bit of trollspotting. Parrot, being banned because of trollspotters, targets them. 3. Somebody tips off Osip, and he’s cleared. 4. Somebody tips off Ayesha and she is cleared. 5. Coosa tips off BANNED and he is cleared, but asks for a new name, Webmaster, and swears off posting in the Pit. 6. Coldfire can’t let it go and asks for Webmaster to be banned. 7. Somebody does, because “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” 8. Webmaster is re-cleared and promised a new name, but realizes Coldfire would simply go after the new name, so he decides to quit Webmaster and start over, making an exit gripe thread, which he abandons, knowing it will ban the name Webmaster, no loss to him. 9)UncleBeer says his gripes are all lies, and sticks up for Lynn. 10)Lynn says she actually did those things and gives her reasons, one being that Webmaster=Parrot, which is wrong. 9. “Whatever” is a one-shot name just to tell UncleBeer he’s been conned by Lynn. And to tell Lynn what her part was. I think he doesn’t have a gripe against Coosa, who was the only one who realized he was innocent all along, and framed by Parrot, as Osip and Ayesha, and others had been. 10. Presumably, He now has a new name, or soon will, and says he’s done with the Pit. But he predicts that efforts to suss him out will simply blot other good names. 11. Presumably, Parrot is working on a new list of targets, based on the latest batch of troll hunters above. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/17 "2000-06-15T06:54:53Z")
Alpha, in order to accept your slanted version of the way things happened, I would have to assign Webbie vastly more credibility than he has demonstrated having. Likewise I would have to assume that the mods and admins are less credible, and malicious, to boot. If you would like, I could easily detail at least ten times where BANNED/webmasterUSA has intentionally disparaged other posters with blatant disregard for the truth. And it’s nice to see that you are indeed looking into a technical solution to the problems this person is causing. Not that I doubted you guys. You’re all the acme of excellence in moderation (errr, that’s excellence in the art of moderation). ---
**Author:** ![Doug\_Bowe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@Doug\_Bowe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doug_Bowe)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/18 "2000-06-15T07:48:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*\* > waterj2: Yes, yes, yes, and (in regards to the breeding) HELL YES! > > We’ve let the vBulletin people know that there are security holes. We are hoping that there will soon be patches. In the meantime, we’re doing the best that we can. > > \*\* Lynn –Chocolate is on the way! You think I’m kidding. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/19 "2000-06-15T08:41:25Z")
Alpha posted: > [@](#): > > 1. Coosa tips off BANNED and he is cleared, but asks for a new name, Webmaster, and swears off posting in the Pit. > 2. Coldfire can’t let it go and asks for Webmaster to be banned. Read it all again, Alpha. I _never_ asked for WebMasterUSA to be banned. In a thread called [“Do you know any poster with 2 current legal usernames?”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=27019), I ask a very civil question towards both WebMasterUSA and the moderators. I didn’t ask for a ban, I just didn’t understand why someone who got banned four times would be allowed a namechange and hence, a second chance. Bear in mind that I do not KNOW whether all four of the “BANNED” incarnations where the same person. It is quite possible (just because there is no evidence I have to the contrary) that the original “BANNED” was basically a good guy who just thought it was a funny name to use. The problem is, that all four of then got banned. So I don’t KNOW who’s who, and that’s why I ask for some explanation. The way I see things, WebMasterUSA could very easily have explained himself in 3 or 4 sentences. “Coldfire, I understand your confusion. I was the original “BANNED”, but after all the shit that happened, I decided to change my username to WebMasterUSA. The moderators were more than happy to help me with this, because I did nothing wrong, it was the imposters that pulled all those wicked stunts.” You know, something like that. If such a post were made, and if it had been backed up by a mod saying: “Yup, that’s what happened. WebMasterUSA is a nice guy, and all the imposters have been kicked. Carry on.”, I would have dropped the matter then and there. Believe me, I would have. The question is: what DID happen in response to my question? Read the thread I linked above, and judge for yourself. Webby gets angry and accuses me of having a “sad campaign”. Show\_Biz comes in and basically repeats all this in a more elaborate manner. The interesting thing here might be that I NEVER spoke to Show\_Biz before that moment. Oh well. > [@](#): > > 1. Somebody does [ban him, ed.], because “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” > 2. Webmaster is re-cleared and promised a new name, but realizes Coldfire would simply go after the new name, so he decides to quit Webmaster and start over, making an exit gripe thread, which he abandons, knowing it will ban the name Webmaster, no loss to him. If you REALLY want to know what happened, check out the [“Wally are you putting us on?”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=27026) thread. Again, I ask a civil question, directed at Webby and the mods. What happened next is history. I had no intention of going after one specific innocent user whatsoever, and that IS what you seem to be implying. As for your WAGs at the psyche of this idiot, I have no idea whether they are accurate. And I don’t care either. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2000, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437/20 "2000-06-15T09:25:30Z")
Its just x-files and his gripe against Lynn coming in again. _yawn_ [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poor-unclebeer-they-other-mods-are-keeping-him-out-of-the-loop/22437.md?page=2)