# Poorly-aged films that could use a "woke" (for lack of a better choice of words) remake **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [November 18, 2025, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941 "2025-11-18T00:49:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![P-man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/p-man/32/3606_2.png) [@P-man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/P-man)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2025, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/61 "2025-11-18T23:38:02Z")
A true exchange I had at age 30: I had been told by a friend of a woman who worked in a different department that she was hoping I’d ask her out. I thought she was attractive and fun to talk to, so I asked her out. She said, “I don’t know.” I figured that was that. The mutual friend asked me if I’d called her up, so I told him that I did and she didn’t really seem that interested. Later he tells me “she wants to be pursued.” That really was that. Less than a week later I met my future mate. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2025, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/62 "2025-11-18T23:48:49Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > I don’t really see anything in his reaction that shows it’s meant to be creepy, it’s more like he’s just confused by this older woman in his dorm room. When he then immediately goes to see Jordan, he doesn’t appear creeped out, he’s used that experience to crystalize his feelings for her. I disagree, but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the movie. > [@zbuzz](#): > > Also, the beauticians are there just to be sexualized by the horny nerds. I don’t think it’s too bad for a students from a school that has more women than men to be invited to a party at a school where there are more men than women. > [@Cervaise](#): > > When I asked my younger daughter why she liked it so much, she said, she’s never seen a movie where the kids are just as rude and stupid as actual kids. That’s why I liked The Bad News Bears when it first came out. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2025, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/63 "2025-11-18T23:52:17Z")
I’m a single 44 y/o. It’s not easy for me to find women who don’t want (or think they want, IDK) aggression (consensual) … Not every instance has to do with this, and as long as no one is harmed, there’s nothing wrong with that stuff, but i suspect that a lot of (not. all, and can be reversed roles, tho probably not as socially acceptable) it is just Patriarchy, and being conditioned. IDK, not a Sociologist or Psychologist. All I know is, I’m NOT into that. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/64 "2025-11-19T00:09:03Z")
I don’t think it’s patriarchy. I don’t really have a reason for that other than I’m into it (fantasy-wise) and I’m super feminist. I think the idea that sexual submission is at odds with feminism misunderstands what sexual submission is. In an ethical D/s scenario, subs have a lot of power. They also have a lot of trust in their partner. And it’s that trust piece that I find particularly so compelling. So I would say that there are scenarios where it could be totally toxic but for a lot of people it’s not at all, it can be really intimate and loving. Which is maybe why I’m fine with letting fantasy be fantasy. I think what you see in media is reflective of cultural norms and while I’m sure it can reinforce those norms, it’s really changes in society that changes the kinds of things you see in artistic expression. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/65 "2025-11-19T00:15:32Z")
I appreciate your input. I truly don’t know enough about such things to talk about it intelligently. It was just my WAG, (which is why I added a lot of qualifying language in it). I think I at least understand the separation, I simply can’t get there in my head. That may be my own limitations. I don’t think I’d like it regardless, but I can tell you, I simply like the expression of…. ‘sweet’ and ‘cute’. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/66 "2025-11-19T00:16:30Z")
My husband is like that, very tender and loving. And that is a perfectly wonderful way to be. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/67 "2025-11-19T00:24:17Z")
Kick ass. I’m actually curious about something, but concerned about derailing the thread. May I message you? Only if your down. Not anyone’s job to eduate me, but would love to learn more about these things. Your husband sounds cool, and there’s a deficiency of cool dudes. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/68 "2025-11-19T01:18:09Z")
My husband is amazing. Sure, feel free to PM me! ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/69 "2025-11-19T01:53:51Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > John Cusack in _Say Anything_, holding that boom box over his head? Swoon. [![](https://i.imgur.com/nS9eqtE.jpeg) ](https://i.imgur.com/nS9eqtE.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/70 "2025-11-19T01:54:47Z")
As someone has mention non-Asian Micky Rooney playing an Asian, the same could be said about Tony Randall in “The Seven Faces of Doctor Lao”. And, as a bonus, the effects tech available now would blow the original away. ---
**Author:** ![P-man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/p-man/32/3606_2.png) [@P-man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/P-man)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/71 "2025-11-19T02:03:44Z")
I knew myself well enough at that point to not be pulled into a “pursuit” game. In my teens and early twenties I was awkward to the point that I scared off girls/young women. I can’t read signals, so it could have resulted in both of us being very uncomfortable. My earlier attempts at “pursuit” did not work out well, and I wasn’t about to repeat those mistakes. Whether it works for others isn’t for me to judge. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/72 "2025-11-19T02:21:32Z")
That got a chuckle out of me. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/73 "2025-11-19T02:56:39Z")
> [@Meatwater](#): > > That being said I have trouble perceiving what a modern day take/remake on it could possibly be Seth McFarlane’s “A Million Ways to Die in the West”. It has its moments, but it did prove the old adage, that you couldn’t make Blazing Saddles today. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/74 "2025-11-19T03:27:21Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Not in most states (see my earlier note). California, where the movie takes place, apparently is not one of those states. So Mitch and Jordan in that scenario just statutorily raped each other. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/75 "2025-11-19T03:55:22Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > I don’t think it’s too bad for a students from a school that has more women than men to be invited to a party at a school where there are more men than women. That isn’t bad at all, but I mean those women are included in the movie just to be sexualized. They are there so the movie can have some shots of attractive women in bikinis. Like you said, the nerds have their own personalities, but the beauticians are just window dressing for the audience and the nerds. And like Chris says, the party is their only chance in their lives to get laid. So that’s all the beauticians amount to in the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/76 "2025-11-19T03:58:39Z")
_Breakfast at Tiffanie’s_ could easily be remade. Just follow the novella more closely. I don’t remember the Japanese character being that important so he can be cut or have an appropriate actor in the role. Get rid of the romance and use the much more complex relationship between the main characters. I don’t know if audiences would like the downer of an ending. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/77 "2025-11-19T05:00:24Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > Honestly, and feel free to disagree, I think remaking most _comedies_ is doomed to failure, as much humor (slapstick and absurdist being pretty strong outliers) is so much a piece of it’s time that an honest remake is nigh impossible. I am not sure about ‘doomed to failure’ but I will agree something which is hard to do and rare to have done successfully- if ever. (Okay, Angels in the Outfield has been redone, and not badly,) > [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I love _The Breakfast Club_ too, even though Bender is clearly a future domestic abuser. If he isnt in prison first, > [@E-DUB](#): > > As someone has mention non-Asian Micky Rooney playing an Asian, the same could be said about Tony Randall in “The Seven Faces of Doctor Lao”. Here I disagree, I mean we arent sure really who “Dr Lao” really is- maybe he really is Apollonius or Merlin who just makes himself look Chinese for the 1800s audience? The Book is great and the film keeps closer to the book that many other films do. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/78 "2025-11-19T13:37:53Z")
I was thinking about **Finian’s Rainbow** yesterday, which has undergone a transformation from “film that was controversial for being anti-racist” to “film that is controversial for being racist”. The plot has a very strong anti-racism theme, but it involves one of the main characters being in blackface for much of the film. It’s a bit cringe now, as the kids say. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/79 "2025-11-19T13:53:39Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > As someone has mention non-Asian Micky Rooney playing an Asian, the same could be said about Tony Randall in “The Seven Faces of Doctor Lao”. And, as a bonus, the effects tech available now would blow the original away. The thing about DR. Lao is that a lot of the characterization – Tony Randall’s Dr. Lao switching from pidjin to cultured sophisticated English – is in Finney’s original novel, as well. A remake, with a person o Asian ancestry in the title role, would be interesting, especially if they didn’t use Charles Beaumont’s script (which took the episodic story and made a regular story line out of it). I admit that Jim Danforth’s effects work definitely shows its age, and we can do better, although I don’t criticize him for it – he did the best he coul with what he had. I would DEFINITELY do away with George Pal’s repurposing of the destruction of Atlantis from his _Atlantis, the Lost Continent_ as the Destruction of Woldercan. And in these more liberated times you could put things in the movie you couldn’t get away with in the 1960s. ---
**Author:** ![XOldiesJock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ec9cab/32.png) [@XOldiesJock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XOldiesJock)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941/80 "2025-11-19T15:47:27Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > _They could just edit out the Rooney scenes and it would significantly improve the film. Would be an easy fix._ “Breakfast at Tiffanys” came to mind right away. Could those scenes be removed but keep the storyline intact? I haven’t seen this in at least 60 years, and then only once, so I don’t recall how integral to the plot the scenes involving Rooney’s character might be. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poorly-aged-films-that-could-use-a-woke-for-lack-of-a-better-choice-of-words-remake/1024941.md?page=5)