# Pope changes one line in Lord's Prayer

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-changes-one-line-in-lords-prayer/835098>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [June 5, 2019, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-changes-one-line-in-lords-prayer/835098 "2019-06-05T22:03:01Z")\
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**Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-changes-one-line-in-lords-prayer/835098/41 "2019-06-09T09:30:36Z")

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Seems like this is designed to get The Lord off the hook for pranks and catfishing people.

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**Author:** ![rsat3acr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@rsat3acr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rsat3acr)\
**Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-changes-one-line-in-lords-prayer/835098/42 "2019-06-09T17:07:52Z")

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So all those times they said the bible was the inerrant word of god, I guess they were mistaken

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**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\
**Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-changes-one-line-in-lords-prayer/835098/43 "2019-06-09T17:16:24Z")

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I don’t remember the Lord’s Prayer stating “Everybody Wang Chung tonight.”

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**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\
**Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-changes-one-line-in-lords-prayer/835098/44 "2019-06-09T17:16:39Z")

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> [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](#):
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> For those who might be interested, but not enough to click through the links, the change is from “lead us not into temptation” to “do not let us fall into temptation”. According to some biblical scholars, the new translation better represents the meaning of the Latin version.

I wonder if the putatively “original” Aramaic version might not have been something like _“Lead us **away from** temptation.”_ That way _does_ follow the pattern of “_GIVE us . . . our daily bread_” and “_FORGIVE us our [sins]_,” in that it requests an actual ACTION from the Deity (giving, forgiving, leading).

ETA: I note that he never once says “PLEASE.” Rude.

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**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\
**Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-changes-one-line-in-lords-prayer/835098/45 "2019-06-09T17:22:53Z")

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OK, I get the part about hot dishes, but what’s the Lutheran pension plan?

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**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\
**Post date:** [June 9, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-changes-one-line-in-lords-prayer/835098/46 "2019-06-09T17:31:35Z")

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> [@kaylasdad99](#):
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> I wonder if the putatively “original” Aramaic version might not have been something like _“Lead us **away from** temptation.”_ That way _does_ follow the pattern of “_GIVE us . . . our daily bread_” and “_FORGIVE us our [sins]_,” in that it requests an actual ACTION from the Deity (giving, forgiving, leading).

I like this theory.

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**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\
**Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-changes-one-line-in-lords-prayer/835098/47 "2019-06-10T05:30:04Z")

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> [@kanicbird](#):
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> But Jesus doesn’t use the word God here, but Father, or perhaps more accurately, ‘Daddy’, this is a child talking to his pop. Not a human talking to his God. This is 2 equal status ‘beings’, one differentiated by parent/child and not God/subject. It is also Jesus’ instruction that we pray that way, as the child. As such a request by a child to be just and merciful doesn’t play so well as that is what a perfect parent should be. It makes a lot more sense in terms of God and human subject, but that’s not the meaning of the Lord’s Prayer.

Hold on, bub. This is from the Old Testament. I know the newbie fandom likes to retcon Jesus into the storyline, but the Original Showrunner introduced this psalm waaaay earlier in the program for His oldest and handpicked–Chosen, one might say–audience.

Talk about co-opting culture.

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**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\
**Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-changes-one-line-in-lords-prayer/835098/48 "2019-06-10T16:27:38Z")

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> [@choie](#):
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> Hold on, bub. This is from the Old Testament.

What is? The Lord’s Prayer is from the New Testament (specifically, Matthew)—was there something else **kanicbird** was referencing?

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