# Pope Palpatine is a Festering Grab-Ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 11, 2007, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355 "2007-07-11T13:27:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/61 "2007-07-11T20:44:21Z")
> [@Extra Ecclesiam Dolce Vita](#): > > Those who, **through no fault of their own** , do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, **but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart** , and, **moved by grace** , try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation. Uh-oh. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/62 "2007-07-11T21:14:52Z")
Wow, the Pope asserts what Pope’s have always asserted and it’s a scandal! How ignorant were you people before? Apostolic succession is just about who made whom bishop. When the Anglican church split from Rome, they had bishops who were ordained by the Roman bishops, who claim a lineage from the apostles. So the lineages are there, and can be traced at least back before the schism. So what matters is whether you believe in the Pope’s ability to ‘bind and loose’. If you don’t believe in the Pope’s ability to bind and loose, then how is him saying his way is correct and yours is wrong, any different from you saying that it’s wrong to say this? **Everyone who isn’t a liberal Unitarian is going to Hell!** Goddamn that Pope for being no more intolerant than me! How dare he! ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/63 "2007-07-11T21:21:46Z")
[QUOTE=BobLibDem] John Paul II was a tough act to follow but Benedict certainly seems to be taking the church backward. [/QUOTE] Back to medieval times! ---
**Author:** ![11811](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/9d8465/32.png) [@11811](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/11811)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/64 "2007-07-11T21:22:02Z")
[QUOTE=Kalhoun] And belonging to a protestant church is already dissing the catholics anyway, right? [/QUOTE] Yep, the whole reason to kick it on the prod tip is to dis the catholics. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/65 "2007-07-11T21:41:43Z")
[QUOTE=11811] Yep, the whole reason to kick it on the prod tip is to dis the catholics. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] You got it. Good boy! ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/66 "2007-07-11T21:46:31Z")
[QUOTE=E-Sabbath] Face it, he’s playing Black and White or Sims up there, and we got the diamond over our heads. Eh, long as it isn’t game over, it’s a good deal. [/QUOTE] I hope it’s not Black and White He’s playing. Too many accidental clicks turned me from good to evil, and the villager-eating Creature I had didn’t help much. Hmm, I’m not liking how easily I can apply that to real life. Still, I would like to know whose ass the Pope has been grabbing, so I can be even more outraged and stuff. My blood pressure’s not high enough lately, I feel. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/67 "2007-07-11T21:49:14Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Moto] In a quest for moral and spiritual truth, a vigorous debate is to be welcomed. And the Unitarian Universalists duck this entirely by handing a formerly Christian space over to Wiccan meetings, and substituting political action for growth in one particular faith. [/QUOTE] I was raised UU. What you have to bear in mind is, while many of us believe in God and all of us believe in evil, none of us believe in **sin,** as a form of spiritual pollution on the soul that cuts it off from God. And without sin, you don’t need Christ – at least, not as a substituted sacrificial sin-redeemer. (As a moral teacher he’s still studied and quoted.) So we’re really not a “Christian” church in that sense. And the Unitarian Church originally was founded on denial of the Trinity, meaning rejection of Christ’s divinity, se we have never been a “Christian” church in that sense, either. But you will find more vigorous debate over moral and spiritual matters in a UU congregation than any other church’s. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/68 "2007-07-11T21:58:04Z")
[QUOTE=11811] Yep, the whole reason to kick it on the prod tip is to dis the catholics. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Actually by definition. What do you think **Protest** ants are protesting exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/69 "2007-07-11T22:02:07Z")
[QUOTE=DiggitCamara] Didn’t you see the photograph where they compared Pope Benedict with Emperor Palpatine? [/QUOTE] The _several_ photos, actually. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/70 "2007-07-11T22:16:41Z")
Add me to the not-at-all-outraged list. Obviously he thinks Catholics are right and everyone else is wrong. Who is surprised by that? Unless he’s calling on his minions to go out and commit violence or unprecedentedly obnoxious levels of evangelism, what’s the issue? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/71 "2007-07-11T23:18:48Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] Some popes have stated it as an absolute that only Catholics could be saved, others not so much. [/QUOTE] Were any of them right? I mean, it goes without saying that some of them had to be wrong, and therefore were misleading their flocks, doesn’t it? Can two popes disagree and both be right? ---
**Author:** ![Muad\_Dib](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/35a633/32.png) [@Muad\_Dib](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muad_Dib)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/72 "2007-07-11T23:26:59Z")
The Pope said that the RC Church is the one true path?! Shocking, just shocking. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/73 "2007-07-11T23:34:20Z")
[QUOTE=Telperien] I hope it’s not Black and White He’s playing. Too many accidental clicks turned me from good to evil, and the villager-eating Creature I had didn’t help much. Hmm, I’m not liking how easily I can apply that to real life. [/QUOTE] You begin to understand why I chose what I chose. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/74 "2007-07-11T23:38:25Z")
[QUOTE=Muad’Dib] The Pope said that the RC Church is the one true path?! Shocking, just shocking. [/QUOTE] It’s “shocking”, or at least offensive because of all the propaganda we hear about how the Pope is a Great Moral Leader, and how we should take his opinions seriously because he wears a funny hat. Personally, I see no reason to trust or respect his opinion on anything beyond empty theology more than I would that of Bob next door, or less. ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/75 "2007-07-11T23:42:01Z")
[QUOTE=E-Sabbath] You begin to understand why I chose what I chose. [/QUOTE] Yes, after trying to keep a giant cow from eating all my villagers, it’s very clear to me. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/76 "2007-07-11T23:51:19Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Christians **can’t** accept that without throwing out St. Paul’s unambiguous statement, “By faith alone are we saved.” [/QUOTE] Eh. If you’re not a Bible literalist, you don’t have to believe everything it, or Paul, says. After all, Paul’s the guy who was talking about how Jesus will be back Real Soon Now and so you should be spending all your time getting ready for that, but oh ok, if lust is distracting you from it then “it is better to marry than to burn [with lust],” or how women shouldn’t be heard in church, etc. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2007, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/77 "2007-07-12T00:22:33Z")
[QUOTE=gigi] What makes him a “grab-ass”? [/QUOTE] Seconded. A better designation would be “asstard.” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2007, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/78 "2007-07-12T00:26:00Z")
[QUOTE=mswas] **Everyone who isn’t a liberal Unitarian is going to Hell!** [/QUOTE] **No one** expects the Unitarian Inquisition! We have **ways** of making you think for yourself! ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2007, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/79 "2007-07-12T00:33:10Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] **No one** expects the Unitarian Inquisition! We have **ways** of making you think for yourself! [/QUOTE] Beware the [Unitarian Jihad !](http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/04/08/DDG27BCFLG1.DTL) ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2007, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355/80 "2007-07-12T00:39:27Z")
[QUOTE=Orual] This isn’t even _true_! The Church of England’s bishops (i.e. the Anglicans, th Episcopalians, whathaveyou) claim to be part of apostolic succession. [/QUOTE] But they’re _not_! Not, not, not, **noooottttt**! > [@document quoted in OP](#): > > The document says Christian Orthodox churches are true churches but have a “wound” because they do not recognize the power of the pope _Recognise_ my _power_, dammit! Why don’t you people RECOGNISE MY FUCKING POWER! [stamps feet, goes all red in face] It’s pathetic, is what it is. My five year old comes up with more persuasive drivel while having a tanty or playing games with his friends. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-palpatine-is-a-festering-grab-ass/411355.md?page=5)