# Pope Ratzi **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 19, 2005, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086 "2005-04-19T17:22:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/21 "2005-04-19T18:11:22Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > Would the risk of AIDS be reduced if Catholic sexual teachings were strictly followed? > > Be honest now. Sure, and if Immaculate Conception worked it would be reduced even further. If God just healed the sick rather than we poor humans having to rely on things like blood transfusions it would be reduced even more. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/22 "2005-04-19T18:12:13Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Great. He’s not even Pope for an hour… in fact, he’s not even Pope yet, and already you vultures are criticizing him. > > Give it a rest. You hate Catholics and you hate the Pope. We know that. What I don’t know is what pleasure you get out of tearing down a good man. See, you would be right if he was some unknow, who we had never heard of. However, he is not. I daresay, the inqusition was a bad thing, and he is the spiritual, and legal inheritor of the title, [Congregatio pro Doctrina Fidei](http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/diocese/dxcdf.html). In adition, he has shown his colors, via public defending of an anti-everything good stance. google his name, and any hot-topic (women’s rights, gay rights, etc.) and you will see. Also, go to this site, for free badges: [http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/](http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Aagramn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Aagramn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aagramn)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/23 "2005-04-19T18:12:28Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Oh, no. We can’t let responsibility or caution or anything get in the way of pleasure. I’m all for responsibility and caution, but I see nothing morally wrong with the use of a small piece of latex, nor with having sex for pleasure. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/24 "2005-04-19T18:13:33Z")
We can’t let the prevention of human suffering get in the way of imposing self-righteous sexual morality on others, The Church might have more credibility on sexual issues if more of the clergy would actually take their dicks out of their altar boys. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/25 "2005-04-19T18:13:35Z")
**Binarydrone** ’s my new hero. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/26 "2005-04-19T18:13:44Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Oh, no. We can’t let responsibility or caution or anything get in the way of pleasure. Yes, how would you live if you couldn’t massage your prostate by having your head up your ass, you self righteous asshole? ---
**Author:** ![holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e95f7d/32.png) [@holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/holmes)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/27 "2005-04-19T18:16:51Z")
This train of thought, pissed me off no ends, AIDS is also being transferred via blood by products. Which means Mr. Smith gets a transfusion, follows strict Catholic sexual teachings and will still kill his wife. You tell me what solution you have to prevent that? Until the Africa and Asia gets their blood banks under modern conditions, AIDS will still ravage those countries regardless of strict Catholic teachings…it doesn’t care whether you’re living in sin or have been married for 40 years… Perhaps the Church wouldn’t get stones tossed at it, if you guys would stop seeing every tragedy as the result of sin. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/28 "2005-04-19T18:17:06Z")
> [@Mockingbird](#): > > And I’d say as the Pope affects the world beyond his flock, feeling that he needs to force himself and his views on other faiths and those who are athiest, that he has no restraint and a great deal of arrogance. And yet, when the pope makes a pronouncement that people beyond his flock might agree with on the death penalty, or economics, or social justice, this accusation of arrogance and overreaching never is made. Funny thing, that. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/29 "2005-04-19T18:17:36Z")
Gee, the Western liberals think it’s a bad idea for Catholic Cardinals to elect as leader of their church someone who thinks Catholic doctrine is correct. That’s the beauty of freedom of religion, guys…you don’t like what Catholicism says, be something other than a Catholic. Don’t waste time wishing Catholicism was or will be different. Give it a rest. ---
**Author:** ![Andros\_X](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Andros\_X](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andros_X)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/30 "2005-04-19T18:18:10Z")
There was an interesting theory that was posited last night by a friend of mine – the Cardinals haven’t really found a pope yet. Maybe they’re still looking, and elected Ratzinger as a placeholder. Ratzinger’s 78 years old; I’ll be surprised if he lasts more than a decade. Meanwhile, the Cardinals seek out a new pope for a longer time frame. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/31 "2005-04-19T18:18:25Z")
> [@Aagramn](#): > > I’m all for responsibility and caution, but I see nothing morally wrong with the use of a small piece of latex, nor with having sex for pleasure. Nor do I, and I disagree with the Church’s proscription on condoms. But man, after all that’s gone down and around in the last 20 years if you get HIV you have no one to blame but yourself. What the Church has advocated would guarantee that you couldn’t get sick except in absurdly rare cases like a tainted blood transfusion. Yet it’s rejected as an irresponsible stance, when it is in fact the most responsible stance i can think of. > [@](#): > > Yes, how would you live if you couldn’t massage your prostate by having your head up your ass, you self righteous asshole? What you do is your business. But don’t blame me (or the Pope) because you can’t keep your pants zipped and you get sick. That’s all on you. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/32 "2005-04-19T18:18:55Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > Would the risk of AIDS be reduced if Catholic sexual teachings were strictly followed? > > Be honest now. If no-one every had sex outside of marriage, it is possible STD would not exist. However, your viewpoint ignores reality. However, as DoctorJ has said, > [@](#): > > When I did Gyn Onc back in medical school, I saw plenty of cervical cancer. Not much affected me more. Who gets it? Youngish women, in their 30s and 40s usually, often with children at home. In my mere two weeks on Gyn Onc, I saw more than one of them die a horrible death. We could prevent that, but then the nutjobs won’t be able to shake their finger and say, “Shoulda kept your panties on.” > > These people just don’t seem to grasp one of the most basic concepts in existence–people will fuck. Shake your finger all you want, they will fuck. Show them pictures of the rotting corpses and diseased genitalia of those who fucked before them, and they will fuck. Put them in steel-belted, triple-padlocked chastity belts and lock them away in dungeons, and they will manage to find a way to break out and fuck. True, some may not–but the rest will. from: [We could eliminate cervical cancer, but then more people might screw!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=312424) ---
**Author:** ![Maendosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ebca7d/32.png) [@Maendosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maendosa)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/33 "2005-04-19T18:20:05Z")
> [@Aagramn](#): > > I’d be delighted if he proved me wrong, but from what I’ve heard about him he’ll take a hardline stance against issues such as contraception, homosexuality, abortion and the role of women. This doesn’t please me and many others, so we are bound to comment on it. Well, duh. He’s the most catholic of catholics, and last I looked, the catholic church still said that homosexuality is a sin, as is abortion, contraception was right out, and that women’s roles were pretty clearly defined and didn’t include the priesthood. People are surprised that a Pope who’s pretty firm on the stances of the Catholic church would be elected? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/34 "2005-04-19T18:21:04Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Great. He’s not even Pope for an hour… in fact, he’s not even Pope yet, and already you vultures are criticizing him. > > Give it a rest. You hate Catholics and you hate the Pope. We know that. What I don’t know is what pleasure you get out of tearing down a good man. There’s a new pope and he’s conservative, you really expected that to be just left alone? ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/35 "2005-04-19T18:21:07Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > And yet, when the pope makes a pronouncement that people beyond his flock might agree with on the death penalty, or economics, or social justice, this accusation of arrogance and overreaching never is made. > > Funny thing, that. Haven’t you been reading? Again, it simply boils down to the fact that the Filthy Liberals™ hate God, and want to fuck all the time with no worries or consequences. To be sure, they are 100% not capable of any nuanced opinion in which they can adamantly disagree with a political figures position on some issues, and agree with him on others. No, I am afraid that the Filthy Liberals™ are 100% monolithic in their views. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/36 "2005-04-19T18:25:02Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Nor do I, and I disagree with the Church’s proscription on condoms. But man, after all that’s gone down and around in the last 20 years if you get HIV you have no one to blame but yourself. What the Church has advocated would guarantee that you couldn’t get sick except in absurdly rare cases like a tainted blood transfusion. Yet it’s rejected as an irresponsible stance, when it is in fact the most responsible stance i can think of. > > What you do is your business. But don’t blame me (or the Pope) because you can’t keep your pants zipped and you get sick. That’s all on you. You are a worthless piece of shit that defends the status quo of all types against even the most basic concepts of humanity or compassion. Your remarks demonstrate your vile adherance to mindless doctrine, blind faith, and bigotry. Disease is not a punishment. Stupidity is your curse. Hopefully a curse that will skip a generation. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/37 "2005-04-19T18:25:12Z")
> [@Binarydrone](#): > > Haven’t you been reading? Again, it simply boils down to the fact that the Filthy Liberals™ hate God, and want to fuck all the time with no worries or consequences. To be sure, they are 100% not capable of any nuanced opinion in which they can adamantly disagree with a political figures position on some issues, and agree with him on others. No, I am afraid that the Filthy Liberals™ are 100% monolithic in their views. Speaking of crosses… ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/38 "2005-04-19T18:25:25Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > And yet, when the pope makes a pronouncement that people beyond his flock might agree with on the death penalty, or economics, or social justice, this accusation of arrogance and overreaching never is made. > > Funny thing, that. Why? Non-Catholics are perfectly free to agree with the Pope on some things and disagree on others just like we disagree with our dads, our spouses and our bosses on some things and agree on others. There is no hypocrisy in that because we don’t hold him out as God’s mouthpiece or invest him with any special wisdom or authority beyond whatever we subjectively feel like. The hypocrisy is on the side of those who want to sanctimoniously support the Pope as an authority when he espouses antiquated and stupid sexual mores as having some sort of inspired legitimacy but completely ignore him when he opposes the death penalty or tells you your warmongering is immoral. ---
**Author:** ![holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e95f7d/32.png) [@holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/holmes)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/39 "2005-04-19T18:26:20Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Nor do I, and I disagree with the Church’s proscription on condoms. But man, after all that’s gone down and around in the last 20 years if you get HIV you have no one to blame but yourself. What the Church has advocated would guarantee that you couldn’t get sick except in absurdly rare cases like a tainted blood transfusion. Yet it’s rejected as an irresponsible stance, when it is in fact the most responsible stance i can think of. > > What you do is your business. But don’t blame me (or the Pope) because you can’t keep your pants zipped and you get sick. That’s all on you. 24.5 million individuals are living with HIV in sub-Saharan Africa (71% of worldwide total). · Every 25 seconds another person in Africa is infected with HIV. · With HIV positive rates approaching and in some cases exceeding 20% in many of these countries, blood transfusions account for an ever-growing percentage of new HIV/AIDS cases. · Of the estimated 6,000,000 blood transfusions performed each year in sub-Saharan Africa, as manyas half of them are not tested for all infectious diseases and another 1.5 million may be improperlyperformed. · Less than 1/2 of African countries have adopted a national blood transfusion policy. · Less than 1/3 of African countries have any policy to limit HIV infection through blood transfusion. [Safe blood](http://www.safebloodforafrica.org/) Rare? Not in Africa. Guarantee? Not in Africa. You wear your ignorance, like a badge of honour. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/40 "2005-04-19T18:26:34Z")
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