# Pope Ratzi **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 19, 2005, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086 "2005-04-19T17:22:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/41 "2005-04-19T18:28:12Z")
> [@Mockingbird](#): > > You are a worthless piece of shit that defends the status quo of all types against even the most basic concepts of humanity or compassion. > > Your remarks demonstrate your vile adherance to mindless doctrine, blind faith, and bigotry. > > Disease is not a punishment. > > Stupidity is your curse. Hopefully a curse that will skip a generation. Yep. You’re exactly right. :rolleyes: What a moron I am. That’s evidenced by the fact that I’ve never had an STD, don’t have HIV/AIDS, and never have to worry about it again. But I’m the idiot. Right. Gotcha. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/42 "2005-04-19T18:29:31Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > But man, after all that’s gone down and around in the last 20 years if you get HIV you have no one to blame but yourself. This is a profoundly ignorant statement. Do you have any idea how many AIDS victims in Africa are born with virus? Do you know how much of it is spread by rape? Even for those who get it by voluntary sex, it is hardly Christian or compassionate to say that they deserve to die a horrible death for not adhering to your backwards sexual morality. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/43 "2005-04-19T18:29:45Z")
Assume that HIV has never existed. Condom use would still be sinful, even for monogamous, married Catholic couples–how can **Mr.Moto** or **Airman Doors** defend the Chruch’s antagonism to ward a woman’s right to reproductive freedom? Is she obliged to serve as a vessel for her husband’s semen and be worn out through childbirth, and be doomed to poverty and an early death therefore? ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/44 "2005-04-19T18:32:50Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Speaking of crosses… Gosh, I have no idea what this cryptic remark is supposed to mean. I am simply disclosing the universal position of all Filthy Liberals™ that we cook up at our monthly meetings. What is your problem, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/45 "2005-04-19T18:34:21Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > This is a profoundly ignorant statement. Do you have any idea how many AIDS victims in Africa are born with virus? Do you know how much of it is spread by rape? No I don’t. Do you? I wasn’t speaking to the exceptional cases, I was speaking to the morons who get the stuff because they… you know what? You’re right. Everybody should fuck like rabbits. I don’t care. All I know is that I lived the lifestyle advocated by my Church and I never had a worry in the world. But that’s me. Have at it. > [@](#): > > Even for those who get it by voluntary sex, it is hardly Christian or compassionate to say that they deserve to die a horrible death for not adhering to your backwards sexual morality. Did I say that they deserved to die a horrible death? No. Did I say that they were responsible for it happening to them due to unsafe sex practices? Yep. Did I say that you cannot get an STD if you don’t have sex? Yep. Funny, I never said anything about sin or compassion or anything else. ---
**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/46 "2005-04-19T18:34:58Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > What a moron I am. That’s evidenced by the fact that I’ve never had an STD, don’t have HIV/AIDS, and never have to worry about it again. How can you not worry about it ever again? ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/47 "2005-04-19T18:36:35Z")
I don’t know Ratzinger from a hole in the ground, so I’m gonna do the fair thing and wait until he does something stupid, _then_ criticize him. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/48 "2005-04-19T18:37:17Z")
> [@brownie55](#): > > How can you not worry about it ever again? Because he is married to a good and constant woman and, presumably, is in no danger of any of the other vectors for the HIV virus because he is right with God. ---
**Author:** ![Aagramn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Aagramn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aagramn)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/49 "2005-04-19T18:38:36Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Yet it’s rejected as an irresponsible stance, when it is in fact the most responsible stance i can think of. I have no problem with the teaching of abstention, but I think it’s irresponsible to promote it as the **only** way of preventing STDs and unwanted pregnacies. Btw, from your post it looks like you quoted me as saying “Yes, how would you live if you couldn’t massage your prostate by having your head up your ass, you self righteous asshole?”, which I didn’t. Looks like you forgot to put the name tag on the quote. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/50 "2005-04-19T18:39:28Z")
> [@Aagramn](#): > > Btw, from your post it looks like you quoted me as saying “Yes, how would you live if you couldn’t massage your prostate by having your head up your ass, you self righteous asshole?”, which I didn’t. Looks like you forgot to put the name tag on the quote. Yeah, that’s my bad. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/51 "2005-04-19T18:41:47Z")
> [@Binarydrone](#): > > Because he is married to a good and constant woman and, presumably, is in no danger of any of the other vectors for the HIV virus because he is right with God. Wow. You’re a dick. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/52 "2005-04-19T18:44:08Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Even for those who get it by voluntary sex, it is hardly Christian or compassionate to say that they deserve to die a horrible death for not adhering to your backwards sexual morality. I’m curious. As I am not a Catholic, I haven’t heard this statement of doctrine. Do you have a link to the cite that verifies that the official position of the Catholic Church is that those with STDs “deserve to die a horrible death for not adhering to (their) backwards sexual morality”? I’d like to read that. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/53 "2005-04-19T18:44:18Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Wow. You’re a dick. Huh? Isn’t that what he meant? Did I misunderstand? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/54 "2005-04-19T18:45:01Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > This is a profoundly ignorant statement. Do you have any idea how many AIDS victims in Africa are born with virus? Do you know how much of it is spread by rape? > > Even for those who get it by voluntary sex, it is hardly Christian or compassionate to say that they deserve to die a horrible death for not adhering to your backwards sexual morality. I didn’t say, or even imply, that they deserved to die. All I’m saying is that not only does the Catholic Church have the right to set sexual rules for its members but those rules are moral ones if they encourage marital fidelity and reduce disease. Catholic sexual rules will do this if they are strictly observed - nobody really disputes this. Nobody really thinks AIDS can be eliminated through sexual morality alone - that would be foolish. But I have to say that anybody that thinks it can be eliminated byt the willy-nilly passing-out of condoms is equally an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/55 "2005-04-19T18:45:51Z")
Why is my post being ignored? Will **Mr. Moto** answer? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/56 "2005-04-19T18:46:22Z")
> [@Binarydrone](#): > > And yet, when the pope makes a pronouncement that people beyond his flock might agree with on the death penalty, or economics, or social justice, this accusation of arrogance and overreaching never is made. > > Funny thing, that. What you are talking about, by and large, doe not exist. Others have made the point I am about to make, but far better worded. Still, here’s my two cents. Former pope makes statements against gays=Horrible, such as in “It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if [the movement for same-sex marriage] is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man.” When he speaks out for human rights, that is commendable. However, the second he talks about the immorality of condemning any one group, he is a hypocrite, and people are free to criticize him. P.S. Gobear’s post, number 43, makes me go hmmm… ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/57 "2005-04-19T18:50:36Z")
**Scott\_plaid,** those are not my words. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/58 "2005-04-19T18:50:40Z")
> [@Binarydrone](#): > > Huh? Isn’t that what he meant? Did I misunderstand? You need to work on your use of sarcasm. WRT your posts about liberals in this thread, it took me 2 posts before I picked up that you were being sarcastic, and I can’t tell weather your reply to AD is sarcastic or not. Frankly, your use of the phrase " a good and constant woman ", sounds sarcastic. Maybe. Maybe not. I can’t tell. I’m not saying to use those goofy [sarcasm] tags, but maybe do a bit more to distinguish what’s serious and what’s not. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/59 "2005-04-19T18:50:56Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > No I don’t. Do you? I wasn’t speaking to the exceptional cases, I was speaking to the morons who get the stuff because they… you know what? You’re right. Everybody should fuck like rabbits. I don’t care. All I know is that I lived the lifestyle advocated by my Church and I never had a worry in the world. But that’s me. Have at it. [/quote] The spread of HIV in Africa through rape, blood transfusions and birth is the norm not the exception. Rape has become common because of a superstition that men can be cured of AIDS by having sex with a virgin. As a result there rape of children, sometimes even infants, has become pandemic. And you know what? I live the same lifestyle as you do. I’m in an old fashioned hetero marriage and I’ve been monogomous for 15 years. Yet I’m STILL capable of feeling empathy for AIDS victims. I don’t think something has to be a threat to ME in order to be concerned about it. Imagine that. And I’m not even a Christian > [@](#): > > Did I say that they deserved to die a horrible death? Yeah, pretty much you did. You said they had “only themselves to blame” and you said it a very judgemental and contemptuous fashion. Did I say that you cannot get an STD if you don’t have sex? Yep. [/quote] Well, you’re aware that this is false, are you not? There are many ways you can get HIV without having sex so it’s not true that following Catholic sexual teachings automatically makes you safe. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2005, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086/60 "2005-04-19T18:55:40Z")
> [@Binarydrone](#): > > **Scott\_plaid,** those are not my words. Gah, sorry, I had tried to cut and paste **Mr. Moto** ’s words, and had done so, before clicking reply and promply pasted them into yours. :smack: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pope-ratzi/300086.md?page=4)