# Popular songs that teach a lesson (i.e. We didn't start the fire) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 4, 2002, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803 "2002-10-04T06:32:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![gitfiddle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/898d66/32.png) [@gitfiddle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gitfiddle)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/1 "2002-10-04T06:32:23Z")
I’m looking for popular songs that teach a lesson, but that people don’t really know that they do. (Good sentence, Hah?) For instance, I know some teachers teach “We didn’t start the Fire” in their history classes, but a lot of people don’t know that the song was meant to teach. See what I mean? Sorry for being so ambiguous. ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/2 "2002-10-04T07:08:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gitfiddle \* > \*\*I know some teachers teach “We didn’t start the Fire” in their history classes, but a lot of people don’t know that the song was meant to teach. See what I mean? Sorry for being so ambiguous. \*\* Although “The Battle of New Orleans” was actually written by teacher James Morris (aka Jimmy Driftwood), it became a pop hit when recorded by Johnny Horton. Read the background of the song’s origin and popularization here: [http://www.tsimon.com/battle.htm](http://www.tsimon.com/battle.htm) Lyrics and music available at: [http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/lyrics/battleof.htm](http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/lyrics/battleof.htm) Gordon Lightfoot wrote, and still performs, “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald” as both a tribute to the sailors who lost their lives and an attempt to preserve the memory of the disaster: [http://gordonlightfoot.com/Lyrics/WreckOfTheEdmundFitzgerald.html](http://gordonlightfoot.com/Lyrics/WreckOfTheEdmundFitzgerald.html) If I didn’t need to get some sleep, I’d post more links. I’m sure plenty of other posters will be happy to share their favorite examples. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Kentzel-Griffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ccd318/32.png) [@John\_Kentzel-Griffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Kentzel-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/3 "2002-10-04T07:12:02Z")
You will get better responses in Cafe Society. I’ll move it there for you. Off to Cafe Society. **DrMatrix** - General Questions Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/4 "2002-10-04T07:14:32Z")
“I’m going to Vietnam” (correct title?) by Canned Heat “Alice’s Restaurant Masacre” by Arlo Guthrie (don’t litter) “Only the Good Die Young” by Billy Joel ---
**Author:** ![Dragon\_Phoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@Dragon\_Phoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragon_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/5 "2002-10-04T07:59:59Z")
Goodnight Saigon by Billy Joel. ---
**Author:** ![happyheathen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5e925/32.png) [@happyheathen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/happyheathen)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/6 "2002-10-04T08:19:45Z")
Follow The Drinking Gourd (look it up - it’s worth the effort - esp. for Americans) ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/7 "2002-10-04T09:11:53Z")
“Murder by Numbers” is pretty educational, but not in a socially constructive way. ---
**Author:** ![longjohn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@longjohn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/longjohn)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/8 "2002-10-04T10:48:53Z")
“You must learn” by KRS One “Shipbuilding” by Elvis Costello “Free Satpal Ram” by Asian Dub Foundation perhaps “American Skin” by Bruce Springsteen? Most songs by the Animaniacs ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/9 "2002-10-04T12:34:05Z")
- Oliver Cromwell \* by Monty Python. ---
**Author:** ![Edward\_The\_Head](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@Edward\_The\_Head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edward_The_Head)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/10 "2002-10-04T13:16:10Z")
**Iron Maiden** has a munber of historical songs, with The Trooper being the best known. We also listened to Rime of the Ancient Mariner in Lit class. Maiden has done a lot of lit work really. **Virgin Steele** has done two albums on the House of Atrius from Greek Mythology. ---
**Author:** ![Legomancer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/779978/32.png) [@Legomancer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Legomancer)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/11 "2002-10-04T13:16:28Z")
How would you teach “We Didn’t Starrt the Fire”? It’s pretty much just a string of references without any kind of commentary on them. What does it teach other than these are some vaguely related things that happened in history? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/12 "2002-10-04T13:55:58Z")
The Star Spangled Banner I Don’t Like Spiders and Snakes 50 Ways to Leave your Lover Cat’s in the Cradle ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/13 "2002-10-04T15:07:28Z")
_James K. Polk_, _Meet James Ensor_, and _Why does the Sun Shine?_ by **They Might be Giants** ---
**Author:** ![TelcontarStorm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3ab097/32.png) [@TelcontarStorm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TelcontarStorm)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/14 "2002-10-04T16:14:34Z")
One of my favorites, a life lesson if there ever was one… “Take the Long way home” by Supertramp. Because somtimes, it just dosn’t matter what you do as long as you are happy. So take the senic route ---
**Author:** ![NYR407](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bbe5ce/32.png) [@NYR407](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NYR407)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/15 "2002-10-04T17:01:16Z")
You beat me to it Edward The Head and how appropriate too. Hey we listened to ROTAM in Lit class too. A student brought in the Powerslave ALBUM and we listened to it after a week long discussion on the actual poem. This is going back many many moons though. Iron Maiden also had songs such as The Flight of Iccarus and Alexander the Great. To name a few more. I agree with Lego that We Didn’t Start The Fire doesn’t really teach but it can be used as a guide by teachers to explain the history referenced in the song. How about U2’s Sunday Bloody Sunday and Pride. Don McLean’s American Pie? It might be more like WDSTF though since the references are kind of vaugue. I know Cecil did a explaination of the song some time ago. I am sure there a ton of other songs out there as well. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/16 "2002-10-04T17:30:35Z")
Almost anything by Tom Lehrer. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/17 "2002-10-04T18:24:30Z")
My favorite is [The Teen Commandments](http://www.lyricsxp.com/lyrics/t/the_teen_commandments_paul_anka.html), by Paul Anka, Johnny Nash and George Hamilton IV. I especially like: 1. At the first moment, turn away from unclean thinking. At the first moment! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Universe\_Lashes\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8797f3/32.png) [@The\_Universe\_Lashes\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Universe_Lashes_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/18 "2002-10-04T20:14:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gonzoron \* > \*\*_James K. Polk_, _Meet James Ensor_, and _Why does the Sun Shine?_ by **They Might be Giants** \*\* “Why Does The Sun Shine?” helped me a couple questions right on an Astronomy test my freshman year of college. Of course, I probably would have done better if I actually went to class instead of stayed in my dorm room listening to TMBG, but I’ll take it. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_of\_Graymatter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/74df32/32.png) [@Baron\_of\_Graymatter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_of_Graymatter)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/19 "2002-10-04T20:46:13Z")
Rifles of Kentucky Bonnie Blue Flag Roll Alabama Roll Marching Through Georgia Roads to Moscow, Lord Grenville, On the Border - Al Stewart ---
**Author:** ![typhoon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ed8c4c/32.png) [@typhoon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/typhoon)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2002, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803/20 "2002-10-04T22:03:00Z")
Um, “Don’t Take Your Guns To Town.” [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/popular-songs-that-teach-a-lesson-i-e-we-didnt-start-the-fire/130803.md?page=2)