# Porcelain mark identification please **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [November 12, 2013, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porcelain-mark-identification-please/673715 "2013-11-12T11:52:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Bragg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4bbf92/32.png) [@Stealth\_Bragg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Bragg)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porcelain-mark-identification-please/673715/1 "2013-11-12T11:52:58Z")
Hello, my mother has acquired a porcelain figurine of [The Three Graces](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charites), the one she has looks like [this](http://i40.tinypic.com/29y0d8x.jpg). The seller told her that it is “Dresden” which of course is not much help in identifying the maker. On the bottom is [this mark](http://i43.tinypic.com/2zzuutu.jpg) but we have not been able to identify it so far. We have checked quite a few books and asked a few dealers, including two actually in the city of Dresden. Is there by chance anyone on this board familiar with porcelain marks who may be able to help? Many thanks in advance to anyone who replies. ---
**Author:** ![Isilder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/cc9497/32.png) [@Isilder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isilder)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porcelain-mark-identification-please/673715/2 "2013-11-12T13:18:40Z")
> [@Stealth\_Bragg](#): > > Hello, my mother has acquired a porcelain figurine of [The Three Graces](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charites), the one she has looks like [this](http://i40.tinypic.com/29y0d8x.jpg). > > The seller told her that it is “Dresden” which of course is not much help in identifying the maker. On the bottom is [this mark](http://i43.tinypic.com/2zzuutu.jpg) but we have not been able to identify it so far. We have checked quite a few books and asked a few dealers, including two actually in the city of Dresden. > > Is there by chance anyone on this board familiar with porcelain marks who may be able to help? Many thanks in advance to anyone who replies. Its on the list of fake marks here. > **[PM&M \[Site / HTTP Error 404\]](https://www.porcelainmarksandmore.com/.nonpublic/404.php)** > > Display of HTML Error 404 Here are the real Meissen Dresden marks > **[Meissen Marks Blue Crossed Swords & Augustus Rex Marks -](https://antique-marks.com/meissen-marks.html)** > > Antique Meissen Marks and help identifying the blue crossed swords mark and the Augustus Rex Mark. Not all blue crossed swords marks are Meissen Porcelain ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porcelain-mark-identification-please/673715/3 "2013-11-12T13:23:47Z")
Yep, I’ve been a fine and decorative arts appraiser for 15 years. Dresden is one of the most faked marks there is, and Isildur’s link tells it all. ---
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Bragg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4bbf92/32.png) [@Stealth\_Bragg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Bragg)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porcelain-mark-identification-please/673715/4 "2013-11-12T13:57:37Z")
Thanks very much guys! Isilder’s link shows the mark exactly but only has this to say: Mark found on some otherwise nicely made figures, note the fancy ‘swords’ which are the same as with the marks with R. Same ‘swords’ other letter - the R version of this mark is newer than the F which got ID’d as repro mark pretty quick. We were not under any illusion that it was Meissen, just wanted to know what it was really. Is there any more information available other than “it’s a repro”? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porcelain-mark-identification-please/673715/5 "2013-11-12T13:59:41Z")
Not really. Some copies of Meissen Dresden are of such quality (Samson, for instance) that their “fake” marks were copied by others, and were sold as fake copies of fake copies. (“No, no, we know it’s not REAL Meissen, not at this price, but look at the mark, it’s a Samson reproductoin, and so it’s the best you can have for this kind of money…”) ---
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Bragg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4bbf92/32.png) [@Stealth\_Bragg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Bragg)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porcelain-mark-identification-please/673715/6 "2013-11-12T14:08:45Z")
Thanks very much Prof. Pepperwinkle, very helpful information 🙂