# Porter Goss: Cheney Cat's Paw **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 10, 2004, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258 "2004-08-10T21:06:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2004, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/1 "2004-08-10T21:06:46Z")
For those curious about Rep.Goss :wally [Porter Goss: Cheney Cat's Paw - Antiwar.com Original](http://www.antiwar.com/orig/mcgovern.php?articleid=2944) 😃 :eek: :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2004, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/2 "2004-08-10T21:28:09Z")
I cannot understand this administration, nor those who continue to defend it. This was probably the MOST partisan and most divisive pick he could have made. At a time when the CIA needs to be seen as professional and not political, when it needs reform, he picked a politician: one of the most controversial they could find. And if Kerry wins the election, he will have a head of the CIA who’s called the CiC nasty names on the floor of Congress. A man who scoffed at investigations of the Palem leak (and took a jab at Clinton in the same breath). What the hell are they thinking? Must every person in the U.S. government be a loyal toady for the administration, or could we maybe have some decent, honest civil servants who are concerned with doing their jobs well instead of garnering good PR for the Bushes? ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2004, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/3 "2004-08-10T23:29:11Z")
> [@Apos](#): > > I cannot understand this administration, nor those who continue to defend it. This was probably the MOST partisan and most divisive pick he could have made. At a time when the CIA needs to be seen as professional and not political, when it needs reform, he picked a politician: one of the most controversial they could find. Oh, I understand it. They’re driving this country like they stole it. They know they won’t be driving for long, so they’re flooring it and making the most of their joyride. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/4 "2004-08-11T00:53:44Z")
and the debate here is… ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/5 "2004-08-11T03:13:40Z")
Frankly, the CIA just needs to be straight up disbanded. It has done far more harm than good and it’s analysts can be simply brought into the NSA or FBI. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/6 "2004-08-11T03:17:21Z")
> [@Apos](#): > > And if Kerry wins the election, he will have a head of the CIA who’s called the CiC nasty names on the floor of Congress. A man who scoffed at investigations of the Palem leak (and took a jab at Clinton in the same breath). Ermm . . . look, is the director of CIA a patronage or civil-service job? That is, could Kerry fire Goss after he takes office? ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/7 "2004-08-11T03:23:50Z")
[http://www.cia.gov/dci/public\_affairs/faq.html#2](http://www.cia.gov/dci/public_affairs/faq.html#2) > [@](#): > > How does the DCI get his job? How long is his term? > > The DCI is nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate, the DCI serves at the pleasure of the President. There is no term of office. Upon Senate confirmation, the DCI takes an oath of office before assuming his duties. Allen Welsh Dulles served for eight years, the longest serving of any DCI. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/8 "2004-08-11T03:46:27Z")
What’s up with Porter Goss? What are your objections to him? Before today, I don’t think I’d ever heard the name. I’ve learned he’s a Republican congressman who was a CIA agent in another life. That’s all I know. What’s the beef? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/9 "2004-08-11T03:57:59Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Before today, I don’t think I’d ever heard the name. You must not have seen _Fahrenheit 9-11_. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/10 "2004-08-11T04:37:45Z")
Nope. Don’t think it’s here yet. ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/11 "2004-08-11T06:52:41Z")
Michael Moore has said it’s OK to download Fahrenheit 9/11 from the internet. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/12 "2004-08-11T07:04:01Z")
> [@Mr2001](#): > > Michael Moore has said it’s OK to download Fahrenheit 9/11 from the internet. Would that disqualify it for an Oscar? ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/13 "2004-08-11T07:40:03Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Would that disqualify it for an Oscar? Interesting question. It [doesn’t seem to be](http://www.sundayherald.com/43167) “officially” endorsed (I doubt Moore is the actual copyright holder), but Lion’s Gate isn’t condemning the practice or doing anything to stop it. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/14 "2004-08-11T13:26:10Z")
> [@Mr2001](#): > > Michael Moore has said it’s OK to download Fahrenheit 9/11 from the internet. link? ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/15 "2004-08-11T13:36:23Z")
See my post #13 above. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/16 "2004-08-11T13:47:27Z")
Was there sale on emoticons over at Wallyworld? Too bad the OP didn’t pick up some substance while they were at it… ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/17 "2004-08-11T15:15:06Z")
> [@Mr2001](#): > > See my post #13 above. I meant a link to f911 ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/18 "2004-08-11T18:21:26Z")
> [@Mr2001](#): > > Michael Moore has said it’s OK to download Fahrenheit 9/11 from the internet. 🆒 Uh, he didn’t \*say \* it was alright, that would disqualify him from the Oscar. 😃 :rolleyes: :dubious: :eek: ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/19 "2004-08-11T18:27:00Z")
> [@ouryL](#): > > 🆒 Uh, he didn’t \*say \* it was alright, that would disqualify him from the Oscar. 😃 :rolleyes: :dubious: :eek: Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258/20 "2004-08-11T22:44:59Z")
> [@SimonX](#): > > I meant a link to f911 Oh. Well, I’m hesitant to actually post a link here, since the mods have closed threads for less… but the article says it’s “distributed via websites such as” one example, and if you go to that site, it’s easy to search for “fahrenheit”. (You’ll need a BitTorrent client installed to download it.) > [@ouryL](#): > > Uh, he didn’t say it was alright, that would disqualify him from the Oscar. What he said was: “I don’t have a problem with people downloading the movie and sharing it with people as long as they’re not trying to make a profit off my labour.” [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/porter-goss-cheney-cats-paw/259258.md?page=2)