# Portland OR 17 August 2019 Rally of Far-Right Racist Militant Dipshits **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621 "2019-08-13T19:11:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/21 "2019-08-17T23:38:10Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Just popped over to the Fox and Breitbart sites, both of which have heds like **ANTIFA THUGS GO BERSERK; EAT GRANNIES** > > But you knew they were gonna run those no matter what happened. Antifa thugs? I thought thugs was a racist term now. And what’s with the redundancy in those headlines? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/22 "2019-08-18T00:02:30Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Antifa thugs? I thought thugs was a racist term now. Well, it’s kind of hard to make paraphrases of loony-right news media sound authentic **without** using racist terms. > [@](#): > > In addition to the Proud Boys, the white nationalist American Guard and the Three Percenters, a far-right militia, have said they will have members in Portland. By the way, just as an update for the various Dopers who were having conniption fits in another discussion not too long ago about the alleged absurdity of claiming that the so-called “Betsy Ross flag” symbol has any cultural associations with right-wingnuttery and racism, [here’s the Three Percenters’ flag](https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&biw=1193&bih=811&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=rJRYXY2LEfCxggfuraDoAw&q=three+percenters+flag&oq=three+percenters+flag&gs_l=img.12...0.0..8368...0.0..0.0.0.......0......gws-wiz-img.enauw6gOs28&ved=0ahUKEwiNkceUjovkAhXwmOAKHe4WCD0Q4dUDCAY). ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/23 "2019-08-18T00:07:31Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > They want a fight so that they can get a reaction that justifies more fighting. Like all bullies and trolls. It’s \*\*all \*\*about the reactions they can provoke. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/24 "2019-08-18T00:11:56Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > I’m guessing somebody hacked that. > > Kind of like this one. > > ['Zombies ahead', warns electronic road sign](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/4518092/Zombies-ahead-warns-electronic-road-sign.html) My personal favorite > **[Pranksters warn motorists of ‘rogue panda on rampage’](https://www.thestar.com/news/world/pranksters-warn-motorists-of-rogue-panda-on-rampage/article_5fa6cd15-96b5-50da-8aa1-ae9e4f4d3e7a.html)** > > Authorities in Flagstaff, Arizona, are assuring residents there are no rogue pandas roaming the city after some pranksters got creative with an electronic street sign. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/25 "2019-08-18T00:28:32Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Antifa thugs? I thought thugs was a racist term now. It’s not, though some people have unsuccessfully tried to make it one. The term did come from a supposed Indian death cult (Thuggee), but I’m not aware of it being used as an anti-Indian term. (Not in modern day, though I believe it was in the days of British colonialism.) ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/26 "2019-08-18T00:43:56Z")
So, I’m supposed to be scared of Antifa now? Am I still supposed to be scared of the New Black Panther Party, or are we admitting that was bullshit the way we will be admitting that Antifa fear is bullshit in a few years? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/27 "2019-08-18T00:49:21Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > It’s not, though some people have unsuccessfully tried to make it one. “Thug” is one of those ambiguous dogwhistle terms, like using “New York” to mean “Jewish”. Literally, “thug” only means something like “a criminally aggressive person”. But racists tend not to use “thug” to refer to criminally aggressive people who are, say, white nationalists. “Thug” to them connotes concepts like “inner-city (i.e., black) hoodlums” and people they consider inappropriately sympathetic to “inner-city hoodlums” (i.e., liberals). ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/28 "2019-08-18T00:51:30Z")
They had a video on liveleak of alleged Antifa members a while back in Portland bludgeoning a random old man with a crowbar to the head causing major bleeding, I think I’d be nervous of any large, angry group of young people no matter what the political cause, mobs are bad mmm’kay. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/29 "2019-08-18T00:54:21Z")
So those who travelled to Oregon from other places to hold their rally there, what are they marching for? Do they have a platform, gripes? Don’t tell me they’re marching for free speech, or some other bullshit. What is the point of this march, what are they trying to say? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/30 "2019-08-18T00:54:26Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Like all bullies and trolls. It’s \*\*all \*\*about the reactions they can provoke. They’re not doing it just for lulz; think about why they organized their rally: to get antifa put on an official governmental list of terrorist organizations, which means federal scrutiny and potentially lengthy mandatory minimum federal imprisonment for conspiring to commit acts of terror. I’m sure antifa and ACLU would litigate this in court, but there would be a chilling effect, no doubt. Meanwhile, where’s the threat to call Proud Boys a terrorist organization? Where’s the threat to call other white nationalist groups and decentralized affiliations terrorism? The Trump administration wants their online activity not just protected as “free speech” but they want to use the power of federal regulatory oversight to force social media companies to carry their content. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/31 "2019-08-18T00:57:52Z")
> [@pool](#): > > They had a video on liveleak of alleged Antifa members a while back in Portland bludgeoning a random old man with a crowbar to the head causing major bleeding, I think I’d be nervous of any large, angry group of young people no matter what the political cause, mobs are bad mmm’kay. Yes, mobs are bad. The white supremacist mob that descended on Portland today from all over the the country is one of the worst mobs. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/32 "2019-08-18T00:58:27Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > So those who travelled to Oregon from other places to hold their rally there, what are they marching for? Do they have a platform, gripes? Don’t tell me they’re marching for free speech, or some other bullshit. What is the point of this march, what are they trying to say? To agitate, and to mainstream the cause of White Nationalism. If they can walk away from a violent confrontation with no sanction against them and having succeeded in getting antifa placed on a list of terrorist organizations, then that adds greater legitimacy to their cause, to the cause of far-right politics, which includes white nationalism. Ironically, there are some members of Proud Boys who are non-white, and who don’t yet understand that they’re legitimizing terrorism against themselves. People like Candace Owen and Andy Ngo think they’re immune because they’re on the same team. In the end, they’re not, and they never will be, and they will probably learn this the hard way. But not before many others before them. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/33 "2019-08-18T01:11:11Z")
Yeah, but what I meant was: What is their supposed legitimate reason? You know how at most protest marches there are people with signs? The signs usually state just what they want. “What do we want? This thing on my sign. When do we want it? Now.” That kind of thing. What is the so-called thing they are asking for? Are they not even pretending to have a purpose? ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/34 "2019-08-18T01:19:09Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Yes, mobs are bad. The white supremacist mob that descended on Portland today from all over the the country is one of the worst mobs. I wouldn’t know, I’ve never heard of the Proud Boys till recently, do they attack people too? [https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=Cd38I\_1561920937](https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=Cd38I_1561920937) There’s the video I was talking about. Who are the Proud Boys, are they the same group from Charlottesville, or some other group? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/35 "2019-08-18T01:29:16Z")
> [@pool](#): > > I wouldn’t know, I’ve never heard of the Proud Boys till recently, do they attack people too? Yes. Now you know. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/36 "2019-08-18T01:47:05Z")
> [@pool](#): > > Who are the Proud Boys, are they the same group from Charlottesville, or some other group? > **[Proud Boys](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys)** > > The Proud Boys is an exclusively male North American far-right, neo-fascist militant organization that promotes and engages in political violence. The group's leaders have been convicted of violently opposing the United States government, including the constitutionally prescribed transfer of presidential power. It has been called a street gang and was designated as a terrorist group in Canada and New Zealand. The Proud Boys are known for their opposition to left The group originated in the ... According to that article, they were present at Charlottesville but were not involved with organizing the event and have supposedly distanced themselves from the violence. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/37 "2019-08-18T02:01:21Z")
[Proud Boys Declare Portland Rally a Success: ‘Go Look at President Trump’s Twitter’](https://www.thedailybeast.com/proud-boys-declare-portland-rally-a-success-go-look-at-president-trumps-twitter) _At least one of the far-right groups that squared-off against antifascist demonstrators in Portland said they’d gotten exactly what they wanted: a sign of Trump’s support._ > [@](#): > > Their quick exit from the long-awaited stand-off against antifascist groups came just a few hours after President Trump signaled he was watching—which was apparently all many on the far-right wanted anyway. > > “Go look at President Trump’s Twitter,” Proud Boys protest organizer Joe Biggs told The Oregonian when asked what message the group wanted to convey. “He talked about Portland, said he’s watching antifa. That’s all we wanted. We wanted national attention, and we got it. Mission success.” I wonder if Trump will say there were good people on both sides. Nah, the anti-Nazis will probably be labeled as a terrorist group. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/38 "2019-08-18T02:25:32Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I wonder if Trump will say there were good people on both sides. Nah, the anti-Nazis will probably be labeled as a terrorist group. Just like those fuckin’ Antifa bastards on Juno Beach on June 6, 1944. Bunch of thugs showed up on the beach and started fights with those good folks who were just sitting in their bunkers. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/39 "2019-08-18T02:30:20Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > To agitate, and to mainstream the cause of White Nationalism. If they can walk away from a violent confrontation with no sanction against them and having succeeded in getting antifa placed on a list of terrorist organizations, then that adds greater legitimacy to their cause, to the cause of far-right politics, which includes white nationalism. Ironically, there are some members of Proud Boys who are non-white, and who don’t yet understand that they’re legitimizing terrorism against themselves. People like Candace Owen and Andy Ngo think they’re immune because they’re on the same team. In the end, they’re not, and they never will be, and they will probably learn this the hard way. But not before many others before them. The difference is that Antifa is not very bright. They are far too easily agitated and then being not too bright they start smashing things and people. It doesn’t help that they always wear masks. They look like dangerous anarchists. If I were the folks squaring against Antifa I’d repeat visits to those towns that have nests of Antifa until the business owners that pay the taxes to the security forces get sick of taxes going for riot control and force the local government to crack down on masked rioters. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/40 "2019-08-18T03:10:21Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I really think that what these people want is a fight. They want to participate in violence, and in our society, violence can be hard to come by. > > I don’t see why we can’t just set aside a corner of a park, make sure that anyone who is entering is aware of the nature of that corner of the park don’t allow any weapons, and then just let them beat on eachother till they get as tired of it as we are of them. Those clowns won’t go for that because it’s not just a fight they’re looking for. They’re looking for a fight they think they can win. They won’t attack anyone they do not perceive as weaker than they are. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621.md?page=3)