# Portland OR 17 August 2019 Rally of Far-Right Racist Militant Dipshits **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621 "2019-08-13T19:11:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/41 "2019-08-18T03:43:14Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The difference is that Antifa is not very bright. They are far too easily agitated and then being not too bright they start smashing things and people. It doesn’t help that they always wear masks. They look like dangerous anarchists. I don’t disagree: as someone who lived in the Pacific Northwest during Occupy, antifa reminds me of a hyper-caffeinated version of that, equipped with sticks and masks. Still, there’s a blatant double-standard among Republicans who want to protect hate speech but want to call those who show up to white power rallies ready to throw down “terrorists.” Because I’ll tell you this: antifa’s not inspiring any couch-surfing anarchist or libtard to go bomb a federal building or shoot up a shopping center, but we know damn well that people on the right are more than capable of such atrocities. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/42 "2019-08-18T03:43:37Z")
“Nests of Antifa?” Are you trying to say that these “shithole” towns have an “infestation?” ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/43 "2019-08-18T03:49:50Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > “Nests of Antifa?” > > Are you trying to say that these “shithole” towns have an “infestation?” Don’t you mean “antifastation”? ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/44 "2019-08-18T03:58:32Z")
> [@pool](#): > > I wouldn’t know, I’ve never heard of the Proud Boys till recently, do they attack people too? > > [https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=Cd38I\_1561920937](https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=Cd38I_1561920937) > > There’s the video I was talking about. Who are the Proud Boys, are they the same group from Charlottesville, or some other group? About that video… > **[Was 'Elderly Man' Beaten While Trying to Help a Man at Portland Rally?](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/elderly-man-beaten-in-portland/?fbclid=IwAR18_mG8W8PpD1nXfwlSXVBhxQItbV3carJHhFLv9dZvEXgjsT26EfgX_Vg)** > > An image of an older man with a bloody face was widely shared, but video shows he was an aggressor in a brawl. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/45 "2019-08-18T04:04:16Z")
> [@pool](#): > > I wouldn’t know, I’ve never heard of the Proud Boys till recently, do they attack people too? [Proud Boys do attack people](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/proud-boys-nyc-antifa-fight-nypd-738092/). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/46 "2019-08-18T04:05:26Z")
I think Darth Shit-for-Brains should totally declare Antifas to be domestic terrorists. And arrest them. Put them on trial for their terroristic acts of brutal mayhem. The damning evidence, the eight by ten glossy photos. Bring it! Shit, can’t find any, arrest the Insane Clown Posse, at least they _exist_! Sorta kinda. What I’m hearing is that the Proud Goys were met with colorful costumes and cheerful mockery. Right on, brothers and sisters, pals and gals! Precisely the correct counter-attack! ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/47 "2019-08-18T04:14:03Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > About that video… > > [Was an 'Elderly Man' Beaten While Trying to Help a 'Man in a Sundress' in Portland? | Snopes.com](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/elderly-man-beaten-in-portland/?fbclid=IwAR18_mG8W8PpD1nXfwlSXVBhxQItbV3carJHhFLv9dZvEXgjsT26EfgX_Vg) Oh, was the second, bearded man that got hit with a crowbar who appeared to be trying to break it up an aggressor as well or just a casualty? ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/48 "2019-08-18T05:00:26Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Because I’ll tell you this: antifa’s not inspiring any couch-surfing anarchist or libtard to go bomb a federal building or shoot up a shopping center, but we know damn well that people on the right are more than capable of such atrocities. Yeah Antifa only inspires people to shoot up bars and kill their sister. I absolutely agree that alt-right, and white supremacists can inspire people to violence but I don’t think it’s fair to say it can’t go the other way as well. Antifa is a rather new and unique movement I wouldn’t be surprised if in the future they do have active members, or inspire other lone nuts to commit violence, it’s probably inevitable. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/49 "2019-08-18T05:31:26Z")
> [@pool](#): > > Yeah Antifa only inspires people to shoot up bars and kill their sister. I absolutely agree that alt-right, and white supremacists can inspire people to violence but I don’t think it’s fair to say it can’t go the other way as well. Antifa is a rather new and unique movement I wouldn’t be surprised if in the future they do have active members, or inspire other lone nuts to commit violence, it’s probably inevitable. Well, if that is the case then you have to have a cite about where that “Antifa only inspires people to shoot up bars and kill their sister” say so comes from. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/50 "2019-08-18T07:02:50Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, if that is the case then you have to have a cite about where that “Antifa only inspires people to shoot up bars and kill their sister” say so comes from. **pool** is referencing the Dayton shooter, who was apparently supportive of Elizabeth Warren, Antifa and other Lefty-type stuff. Because, you know, the Dayton shooting was obviously politically motivated and inspired by the violent left. ( :rolleyes: ) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/51 "2019-08-18T07:15:16Z")
> [@pool](#): > > Yeah Antifa only inspires people to shoot up bars and kill their sister. I absolutely agree that alt-right, and white supremacists can inspire people to violence but I don’t think it’s fair to say it can’t go the other way as well. Antifa is a rather new and unique movement I wouldn’t be surprised if in the future they do have active members, or inspire other lone nuts to commit violence, it’s probably inevitable. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, if that is the case then you have to have a cite about where that “Antifa only inspires people to shoot up bars and kill their sister” say so comes from. > [@eschereal](#): > > **pool** is referencing the Dayton shooter, who was apparently supportive of Elizabeth Warren, Antifa and other Lefty-type stuff. Because, you know, the Dayton shooting was obviously politically motivated and inspired by the violent left. > > ( :rolleyes: ) I know, I was wondering where he pulled that from (his ass is one possibility or the ass of his sources) when the latest I know is that the authorities are still investigating the motive. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/52 "2019-08-18T09:30:04Z")
The key things you need to know about this story, and why it keeps happening again and again, are as follows: [ul] [li]Groups like Patriot Prayer and The Proud Boys repeatedly travel from out of town or out of state to stage “rallies” in Portland[/li][li][We know that they plan to be violent and start fights at these rallies](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/proud-boys-chat-logs-premeditate-rally-violence-in-leaked-chats_n_5ce1e231e4b00e035b928683?fzb)[/li][li]We know that they and their allies in the right-wing media will consistently lie about who started the violence and who is responsible, and that [this is an intentional part of their media strategy](https://www.wweek.com/news/2017/09/15/joey-gibsons-strategy-now-is-just-baiting-antifa-to-fight-with-cops/).[/li][li]We know that many of the cops in Portland are [actively on the side of the fascist attackers](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/disturbing-texts-between-oregon-police-far-right-group-prompts-investigation-n972161)[/li][/ul] > [@pool](#): > > Oh, was the second, bearded man that got hit with a crowbar who appeared to be trying to break it up an aggressor as well or just a casualty? Honestly, I don’t know. What I do know is that you took this blurry video as evidence of “ANTIFA VIOLINS!!1” without spending even five minutes to look for context. Self-defense is not the same thing as aggression, and John Blum was a neo-nazi with a weapon who went looking for a fight and got one. Then, immediately, his neo-nazi buddies took it out of context in an attempt to make him look like an innocent victim. That should give you pause - the fact that you have already been conned by this bullshit propaganda campaign once should make you slow down and say, “_ **Whoa** _, what else are these people lying to me about?” Here’s another example. From the rally today, the story going around the right-wing mediasphere is that antifa hit a “patriot” with a hammer. > Except… [https://twitter.com/BelowStudent/status/1162919216489648130](https://twitter.com/BelowStudent/status/1162919216489648130) Whoops, the dude was hit with _his own hammer_, and he came out swinging first. And we know full well this is a psyop. [We have receipts](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/proud-boys-chat-logs-premeditate-rally-violence-in-leaked-chats_n_5ce1e231e4b00e035b928683?fzb)! These protestors are planning for violence. Then, when they bring violence to Portland’s streets [again and again and again](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/andy-ngo-quillette-antifa-proud-boys_n_5d1a1275e4b07f6ca5811e0c) and get some pushback from people who are a little sick of neo-nazis being bussed in from out of town to start riots, _they immediately play the victim_. The John Blum case is just the most obvious example of a long-standing trend in neo-nazi propaganda - start a fight, lose a fight, claim to be victimized by antifa. And if the reporting on this was anywhere near honest or accurate, we wouldn’t be having these problems. We know all of this not because of actual mainstream reporters, but largely because of on-the-ground antifascist activists who are trying to protect their city and expose the neo-nazis behind the violence. Joey Gibson, head of Patriot Prayer, has been [indicted for felony rioting](https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2019/08/16/after-nearly-three-years-of-orchestrating-violent-rallies-patriot-prayer-leader-joey-gibson-turns-himself-in-on-felony-riot-charge/). When the actual evidence shakes out, we get a much better picture of what’s going on. Any news outlet framing this as “Antifa, right-wing groups clash” is doing their readers a disservice. Any news outlet framing this as “Antifa attack patriots” is a propaganda network intentionally lying to you. Any person pushing a both-sides narrative is either a fool or trying to fool you. We are dealing with fascists. What’s the first thing you should know about fascists? “[Fascists always lie](https://www.vox.com/2018/9/19/17847110/how-fascism-works-donald-trump-jason-stanley)”. I don’t have good odds on whether **pool** is misinformed or misinforming, and ultimately, I don’t really care. He’s going to bat for fascists against antifascists. I shouldn’t have to explain what’s wrong with that. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/53 "2019-08-18T11:52:12Z")
> [@pool](#): > > Yeah Antifa only inspires people to shoot up bars and kill their sister. I absolutely agree that alt-right, and white supremacists can inspire people to violence but I don’t think it’s fair to say it can’t go the other way as well. Antifa is a rather new and unique movement I wouldn’t be surprised if in the future they do have active members, or inspire other lone nuts to commit violence, it’s probably inevitable. Show me where the Dayton shooter was inspired by antifa? There’s no evidence at all that the shooting was in any way politically motivated - most of the victims were black and his murdered sister had transitioned, so it’s not likely that he was targeting people wearing MAGA hats. Besides, the guy was already a fairly well established psychopath irrespective of his Bernie Sanders leanings. Nobody on the left ever claimed that the left doesn’t have violent lunatics among them. What I’m pointing out is that the groups like Proud Boys - and they’re admittedly mild compared to some - are radicalizing right wing nutjobs online to go out and commit right wing-oriented political violence. Antifa basically exists to confront groups like Proud Boys whenever they protest, but they’re otherwise quiet. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/54 "2019-08-18T11:57:53Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > The key things you need to know about this story, and why it keeps happening again and again, are as follows: > > [ul] > [li]Groups like Patriot Prayer and The Proud Boys repeatedly travel from out of town or out of state to stage “rallies” in Portland[/li][li][We know that they plan to be violent and start fights at these rallies](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/proud-boys-chat-logs-premeditate-rally-violence-in-leaked-chats_n_5ce1e231e4b00e035b928683?fzb)[/li][li]We know that they and their allies in the right-wing media will consistently lie about who started the violence and who is responsible, and that [this is an intentional part of their media strategy](https://www.wweek.com/news/2017/09/15/joey-gibsons-strategy-now-is-just-baiting-antifa-to-fight-with-cops/).[/li][li]We know that many of the cops in Portland are [actively on the side of the fascist attackers](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/disturbing-texts-between-oregon-police-far-right-group-prompts-investigation-n972161)[/li][/ul] What everyone needs to understand about these groups is how they are using the internet to radicalize this country’s white conservative population. White pride isn’t something that’s confined to Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama; we’re seeing that these groups are highly active in places like Oregon, Washington (state), Northern California, New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Missouri, and Maryland. Chances are, these extremists are right in your backyard. They’re your neighbors, your co-workers, your bartenders, your coal mine blasters, and your police officers, and you wouldn’t necessarily know it by looking at them. They’re just there. Online. Getting radicalized. There’s a good article or two out there about how YouTube radicalized Brazil, and I have no doubt the same thing is happening here now. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/55 "2019-08-18T12:56:33Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I don’t have good odds on whether **pool** is misinformed or misinforming, and ultimately, I don’t really care. He’s going to bat for fascists against antifascists. I shouldn’t have to explain what’s wrong with that. I take it back. I think this is a pretty good indicator that **pool** is actively part of the problem. > [@pool](#): > > Yeah Antifa only inspires people to shoot up bars and kill their sister. I absolutely agree that alt-right, and white supremacists can inspire people to violence but I don’t think it’s fair to say it can’t go the other way as well. Antifa is a rather new and unique movement I wouldn’t be surprised if in the future they do have active members, or inspire other lone nuts to commit violence, it’s probably inevitable. I think my favorite part of this is the claim that a movement that has been around since the 1930s and has spawned countless largely unconnected offshoots is somehow “new” or “unique”. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/56 "2019-08-18T13:49:17Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Yes a pay per view fight between extremists would be good but hey wait a few years and you will see it for free. > > Now, the rest of that post conveys a lack of understanding of how concentrated power would become in the land owners and their mercenaries. We’d be back to the days of warlords without a properly functioning state. Yes much better to concentrate power in the hands of the state. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/57 "2019-08-18T14:00:32Z")
OK, I’ve had enough! Lizzie and Bernie have radicalized my ass, I want to bash some Fascists! So, who do I call to get with Antifas? When Darth Shit-for-Brains declares Antifas a domesticated terrist group, how are the FBI going to send in their informants? Who are they going to arrest first? Come to think on it, why haven’t they already? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/58 "2019-08-18T14:13:13Z")
As long as the so-called president is getting his marching orders from Faux news and Stephen Miller, those are the entry points. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/59 "2019-08-18T17:14:29Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > OK, I’ve had enough! Lizzie and Bernie have radicalized my ass, I want to bash some Fascists! So, who do I call to get with Antifas? When Darth Shit-for-Brains declares Antifas a domesticated terrist group, how are the FBI going to send in their informants? Who are they going to arrest first? Come to think on it, why haven’t they already? Simple, dial 1-800-ANT-IFAS ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621/60 "2019-08-18T17:15:29Z")
Relevant to the subject I mentioned above, fascist propaganda: > This whole twitter thread is worth a read for anyone considering taking the “violent antifa” line seriously, anyone who trusts Andy Ngo to report on anything honestly, or anyone unsure on who the bad guys are here. The short version: Ngo reported on an “Antifa assault”. In reality, the “American Guard Utah” members opened up the doors to their bus and came out swinging, and eventually got their shit pushed back into the bus. And that “poor victim”? He was the guy who came out swinging. These people are not subtle. All it takes to figure out exactly how they’re lying is to find more of the same tape. And fascists always lie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/portland-or-17-august-2019-rally-of-far-right-racist-militant-dipshits/838621.md?page=4)