# Poser Wiccans piss me off **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 15, 2001, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452 "2001-11-15T03:48:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/21 "2001-11-15T04:41:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lucki Chaarms \* > \*\* > I am claiming spiritual superiority to those who pretend to be a part of a religion that they are not, just because they think it makes them look cool. That is not ok with me, and it really grates on me. Real Wiccans of all stripes are usually good people, like any group there are those who aren’t. Fake Wiccans just make me angry at a core level. They defile the sacred and beautiful work that we do, and that is not ok with me. > > **Dave** - I am not railing against Wiccans who are practicing according to their own feelings and beliefs. I am a firm believer that there is room for all kinds of beliefs within Wicca. I’m railing against Non-Wiccans who pretend like they are so that people think they’re cool, which BTW pretty much never works. > > LC \*\* Fair enough, tho your OP could have been a little clearer on this. I think this is a key point posted by Angel of the Lord, tho: > [@](#): > > Yeah, it gets annoying when someone doesn’t know everything right off the bat. But that doesn’t necesarily make them a Poser Wiccan. Maybe they’re just trying out that particular path. Let them try it out. If they find that it’s not for them, they’ll be gone soon enough. If they decide to stick with it, then they’ll learn. You really can’t lose. ---
**Author:** ![JDeMobray](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/85e7bf/32.png) [@JDeMobray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JDeMobray)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/22 "2001-11-15T04:45:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tranquilis \* > **Having spent plenty o’ time in the thread that touched Lucki off, I’m inclined to be forgiving.** My first thought, on viewing this thread is to agree **Weirddave** ’s “gone mainstream” comment. But, upon second consideration . . . Linkety-lonkety-link? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/23 "2001-11-15T04:50:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SisterCoyote \* > \*\*Of course, my roommate and I were discussing what you’d put in the “Teen Catholic” pack - a Catechism and a crucifix (does that need to be capitalized?)? \*\* Let’s see: Catechism Crucifix Rosary Beads Holy Water Miniature Glow in the Dark Statue of Virgin Mother Prayer Cards Saint medallions-pick and choose!!! Miniature prayer book Incense (yes, Catholics DO burn incense-and it stinks!) Scapular 😃 [Reviews on the “Teen Witch Kit” at Amazon.com](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/1567185541/customer-reviews/qid=1005796644/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_7_3/107-8608210-0375751) :eek: Note-I am NOT a Wiccan myself-I’m a lapsed Catholic. 😉 (I don’t really know much about Wiccan, but I have to say all the trend seekers are annoying-and yes, I know what **Lucki** is talking about-my sister wanted to seek it out and get tarot cards or something like that after watching “Buffy”…) Question-are spells really “spells” in the traditional sense, or are they more like prayers? Just curious… ---
**Author:** ![Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angel_of_the_lord/32/2949_2.png) [@Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angel_of_the_Lord)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/24 "2001-11-15T04:57:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by LaurAnge \* > \*\*Tee hee… > > Sorry, it just strikes me as mildly amusing and ironic that someone named **Angel of the Lord** is borderline Wiccan. > > Seriously, when I first saw you, I definitely had you pegged for a devout Christian. \*\* Zee looks…zey are deceiving. 😃 Actually, it’s based on one of my nicknames–Gabe. Gabe, Gabriel, Gabriel the Archangel, the Angel of the Lord. I liked the irony 😉 **And now in defense of Lucki** … It _is_ a little frustrating to have so many people who “pretend” to be Wiccan and/or Pagan. This is because they tend to be–and I am _really_ generalizing here–young teenage teenybopper girls. Now, in general, I do not like that particular subset of humanity, no matter what religion they practice. Having one–or two or three or four–of them around asking questions that are–to you–simplistic gets really old, really fast. It doesn’t matter if the questions are about Wicca or Algebra or whatever. It’s just fucking annoying! ::deep breath:: However, some people take it differently than others. I take it as something that I just have to deal with (or, at least, I did when I was in high school). Occaisionally, I try to refer them to someone else; I’m really _not_ the best person to be teaching, being all of 18 myself. Usually, though, I make a few book suggestions and tell them to come up with the rest themselves before they go looking for a teacher. I’m a solitary practicioner, and my beliefs are…um, out there…so they’re really better off without me. Others get really pissy. These remind me of the punk rockers who declare that anything written after such-and-such a date is not punk. They might be right in a lot of cases, but aren’t always right. They come off as bitter and snobbish, but, really, they’re just frustrated, and they see this surge in pop culture Wiccanness (is that a word?) as an affront to their faith. They believe that having all these “blessed wanna-bes” somehow defiles what they’re trying to cultivate. I think that they’re wrong, but having been annoyed many, many times, I can understand where someone like Lucki is coming from. ---
**Author:** ![Lucki\_Chaarms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lucki\_Chaarms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucki_Chaarms)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/25 "2001-11-15T04:58:56Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* \*\* > [@](#): > > [Reviews on the “Teen Witch Kit” at Amazon.com](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/1567185541/customer-reviews/qid=1005796644/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_7_3/107-8608210-0375751) > > :eek: > \*\* ::snort:: hehe, you can buy a used one for $15.50. Hey, I can get a discount on used Witchy Shit! OK, back to flaming me. LC ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/26 "2001-11-15T05:11:16Z")
**Lucki Chaarms** wrote: > [@](#): > > Wicca is a sacred path that one has to walk. IMHO, it doesn’t work like Christianity, where you just have to think it and then you are a full-fledged member. The pagani are going to have to learn something that it seems to me Christianity has already learned. Nobody starts out in the faith as enlightened and sincere as you’d like them to be. Those enthusiastic young proseletyzers, the just-add-water born-agains, are brought into the flock and their faith is nurtured, rather than judged. Ideally, anyway. Like it or not, those people you’re bitching about are the future of your religion. Dismiss them at your peril. When they go, they will end up turning sour on Wicca after a Christian who knows how to bring believers into the fold gets ahold of them. As in any religion, the lapsed will make bitterer enemies than those who never held with you to begin with. Talk to them, and try not to judge. Or, better yet, send them my way, and I’ll take the time to talk with them, give them suggested readings and nurture their skepticism until they’ve turned into secular humanists, embarrassed that they ever called themselves witches. ---
**Author:** ![Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angel_of_the_lord/32/2949_2.png) [@Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angel_of_the_Lord)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/27 "2001-11-15T05:16:43Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Guinastasia_ > > **Question-are spells really “spells” in the traditional sense, or are they more like prayers? Just curious…** Heh. I hope y’guys don’t mind if I take a crack at it, and you’re all welcome to correct me, imperfect Wiccan as I am ;). I personally see them more as a form of prayer. There is no guarantee. The “bells and whistles” mainly serve as a physical representation of my intent. Invoking the elements and what have you remind me of exactly what word and what being I am dealing with. The incense, the light…they all remind me of what I’m doing, why I’m doing it, and help me focus. It takes energy. I’m asking a favor of the World, after all. I have to be willing to give something up. The energy it takes to focus, the time it took to prepare things…stuff like that. Sometimes it doesn’t work. Sometimes prayer doesn’t work. Sometimes it works in ways that aren’t really expected. Ditto for prayer. ::shrugs:: Just my personal take on it. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/28 "2001-11-15T05:22:32Z")
AHunter, Weirddave, Sister - The point doesn’t seem to be “oh, those annoying newbies - why didn’t they pop out of the womb with complete religious understanding of the true path, like I did?”. As I understand it, the point _is_ that certain people have a tendency to get vaguely interested in my religion because it’s become trendy; they then put on airs and assume that there is no more depth to it than what they’ve bothered to learn, which is nothing more than the most campy surface trappings that some unscrupulous person has packaged and sold at Bunns & Noodle for $20. It’s as if they’d read a little Berlitz French phrasebook and then started prattling on to everyone who’d listen about their intimate chats with President and Mme. Chirac over pateet dayjoonair. These are the people who clog my inbox with “hi can u plz send me a good love spel?” (verbatim!). These are the people who have the temerity to tell _me_ that I don’t know what I’m talking about because I used a word for the Spring Equinox that was different from the one that Silver Fluffbunny mentions in her books. They are not treating the religion they purport to be totally into with anything near approaching the seriousness it deserves. And the worst part is, it’s not out of mockery - that’s truly all they think is involved. It’s absurd to think this is a rant against newcomers to the craft. I’ve **been** one. But at least when I was, I didn’t run around talking about things I knew nothing about or putting on airs, and I didn’t assume that the entirety of the faith was in the first book I read about it. I remember when my mother asked me about the beliefs of Wicca, quite soon after I got involved in it. I tried to tell her what I knew, but gave up when I realized it was quite little. So I told her that what I knew so far felt right to me, but that I was still studying it. I read. I studied. I conversed. I attended rituals. Gradually I developed the confidence and conviction to initiate myself and to profess my faith openly. And even now, despite having practiced and studied for about a fifth of my life now, and having led a public ritual (to considerable success), I certainly do not have pretensions to more than a partial and imperfect view of my religion. So please understand when I get a little annoyed when some trendy little kid starts quoting “The Craft” authoritatively at me as if that constituted the articles of my faith. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/29 "2001-11-15T05:26:13Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Johnny Angel \* > Like it or not, those people you’re bitching about are the future of your religion. Dismiss them at your peril._\* Actually, no. The people Lucki is bitching about are precisely **not** the ones who are the future of our religion, because they’re the ones who are going to drop the religion **anyway** once the next Pokémon expansion comes out; the ones to whom it’s not a religion or a philosophy but a _fad_, consisting of a lot of pentacles and athames and “so mote it be’s” but not a lot else. ---
**Author:** ![RaCha\_ar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c2a13f/32.png) [@RaCha\_ar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaCha_ar)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/30 "2001-11-15T05:34:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SisterCoyote \* > \*\*That said, I have extremely mixed feelings about books such as Teen Witch. On the one hand, I think it’s good that Wiccanism/Paganism has entered the mainstream enough that such a book can be published. OTOH, I find it rather offensive and cheapening to the religion. \*\* I find this book _so_ upsetting. I want to bitchslap Silver RavenWolf for the depiction of all these “cool” teens on the cover of the book. Way to package it for all the Sabrina fans out there, you blatantly commercialised, money-grubbing hag. If I had to pick one Wiccan author who’s in it just for the money, I’d take Ms. RavenWolf. No offense to any of her fans, but I can’t look at _Teen Witch_ and not think that it was deliberately packaged to pander directly to those teenagers who think Wicca is just _so_ cool and _so_ trendy and _so_ rebellious. I place a _lot_ of blame for the “wannablessedbes” giving Wiccans a bad name upon people like Silver RavenWolf. Before anyone says anything – yes I got that term from an episode of “Buffy”; I hate the show but a friend made me watch this one episode for the message it was sending about poseur Wiccans. I latched onto that word, finding that it nicely summed up the behaviour of people like those **LuckiChaarms** is talking about. I miss Scott Cunningham. ☹ Just in case any one’s wondering where I’m coming from, I’m not Wiccan myself, but I studied the path for two years and it’s been the foundation of my own brand of Paganism. I consider myself a Witch but not a Wiccan – many of my beliefs are similar to those of the Wiccan faith, but the religion doesn’t quite fit me and as such I’m not comfortable calling myself a Wiccan. I would definitely be a poseur if I did. 😉 I was going to answer **Guinastasia** ’s question about spells, but **Angel of the Lord** beat me to it and answered it much better than I would’ve. Nicely done. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/31 "2001-11-15T05:48:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by saffostarr \* > **wannablessedbes** I will now steal this term for my personal use. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/32 "2001-11-15T06:08:21Z")
Actually, LC, your description of Christianity does not applly to all segments of that particular religion. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/33 "2001-11-15T06:19:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lucki Chaarms \* > \*\*As I said in the Jack Chick thread, this is something that pisses me off vastly. People who read one book and put a pentagram around their neck, then BAM! Instant Witch. Never mind that you haven’t been in the forest for three years, and you’d rather go to the fucking mall. \*\* So you can’t be a Wiccan if you happen to live in a major metropolitan area? What about cities without any forest nearby? And actually any Wiccan that claims his religion has some connection to Druids or any other ancient religion is a poser. And let’s not forget the annoying ones that like to bring up the “burning time.” > [@](#): > > \*\* > Listen, stupid ignorant fucks! You are ruining the religion you profess to be a part of with the way you go around spouting about you Witchiness, and then not bothering to say, KNOW anything about it. \*\* I thought Wiccans always found their own path. They can practice their religion in many different ways. Are you the final authority when it comes to Wicca? Are you in fact the Grand Poobah? > [@](#): > > \*\* > Worst case, you’re fucking around with powers you don’t have the intelligence, training or responsibility to use. Neither of those is good. > > LC \*\* Ooo, you have “magickal” powers or something? I’d like to know what they can do wrong. Are they going to crash while flying a broomstick or will they accidentally turn someone into a frog? Maybe we should have 5 day waiting periods on spell books. Marc ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/34 "2001-11-15T06:23:45Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by MGibson_ > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Lucki Chaarms > > Listen, stupid ignorant fucks! You are ruining the religion you profess to be a part of with the way you go around spouting about you Witchiness, and then not bothering to say, KNOW anything about it. > > I thought Wiccans always found their own path. They can practice their religion in many different ways. Are you the final authority when it comes to Wicca? Are you in fact the Grand Poobah? MGibson, I wish I had your ability to totally ignore context, explanation, and clarification. My existence would probably be quite a blissful one. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/35 "2001-11-15T06:29:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by matt\_mcl \* > \*\* > > MGibson, I wish I had your ability to totally ignore context, explanation, and clarification. My existence would probably be quite a blissful one. \*\* I understand Matt. And I wish I had your intelligence and the guts to waste it on dead end jobs and then whine about it to everyone else. Marc ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/36 "2001-11-15T06:42:03Z")
**matt\_mcl** wrote: > [@](#): > > The people Lucki is bitching about are precisely not the ones who are the future of our religion, because they’re the ones who are going to drop the religion anyway once the next Pokémon expansion comes out; the ones to whom it’s not a religion or a philosophy but a fad, consisting of a lot of pentacles and athames and “so mote it be’s” but not a lot else. Plus, they’ll also end up being Christian, because Christianity takes phonies and works with them. Phoniness is endemic, but Christians methodically turn faddish impulses into sincere belief. They don’t always succeed, but it works a lot better than telling the posers to piss off. I’ll tell you something about Christians. Those bible-clutching, conspicuous-cross-wearing born-again-yesterday teenagers think they’re cool, too. They may sometimes deny it, claiming with smug pride that “It’s hip to be square!” but the emphasis is always on `hip.’ They’re as certain of their coolness as any poser of any cloth. But the Christian community doesn’t tell them to fuck off until they’ve really given it some thought. They guide them on their journey to enlightenment. ---
**Author:** ![Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angel_of_the_lord/32/2949_2.png) [@Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angel_of_the_Lord)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/37 "2001-11-15T06:42:24Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by MGibson_ > > **Ooo, you have “magickal” powers or something? I’d like to know what they can do wrong. Are they going to crash while flying a broomstick or will they accidentally turn someone into a frog? Maybe we should have 5 day waiting periods on spell books.** Marc, I really think you could have found a better method of attack. You know, one that, while crippling the intended target, wouldn’t manage to piss everyone else off. Oh, wait…that’s your goal! :eek: :rolleyes: Way to show your depth, cariad. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/38 "2001-11-15T07:10:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MGibson \* > I understand Matt. And I wish I had your intelligence and the guts to waste it on dead end jobs and then whine about it to everyone else. Good grief. How mean-spirited. You’ve come into this thread with an attitude (like Angel of the Lord has already noted). I don’t get it. This thread has been very educational for me, since I know almost nothing about Wicca. But, I think I understand the frustration of Lucki. There are “posers” in many areas. I immediately thought of vegetarianism when Lucki was ranting. There are SO many “poser” vegetarians. They really don’t want to give up eating meat, they just want to piss off their parents, look “cool”, and preach and nag self-righteously about how “meat is murder” to everyone they meet. (But they’ll eat a burger the moment they get hungry.) And then the sincere veggies (I hope I can include myself in that category) have to deal with all the bullshit and misinformation they spread. There’s nothing wrong with “dabbling” in anything, whether it be Wicca, Christianity, vegetarianism, or whatever. But it is irritating when you immediately act as if you are the “expert”, and are too outspoken and overzealous. Best to be honest, and say “I’m just getting into it, still learning.” ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/39 "2001-11-15T07:41:51Z")
Well, a bazillion people beat me on the Christian statement but I’ll say something anyway: Being a Christian means being “Christ-like”. Attempting to live, spiritually, the life of Jesus in both thought and actions akin to what he did. If you’re not going through the effort of doing so, you’re as much a Christian as I am a fireman just because I want to call myself a fireman. And for the record, I’m not calling myself a Christian, I’m saying what the Bible says a Christian is according to the Epistles. Anywho, I still empathize with you. I’m hardly a Wiccan in any sense of the word, but I’ve always thought those silly Llewellyn books must be doing the faith more harm than good. The few I’ve leafed through seem to either have no direction or contradict each other. Now you might say “But being Wiccan isn’t about dogma in a book” and that’s fine but in that case there’s no need to have a zillion softcover books telling me how to be a Wiccan cluttering the shelves of Barnes & Noble. Books on magic and whatnot again seem to make no sense to me. Restating that I’m no Wiccan, I would _think_ that you start off on some spiritual path and grow into magic as an extension of your faith and belief in whatever natural powers you hold sacred. A book of “magic” (and I say it in quotes because I don’t believe in spells cast out of a trade paperback) is about as useful to the spiritually dead witch wannabe as a book of chemical formulas is to someone without a chemistry set. Hell, even those witches in Dark Dungeons made sure Elfstar had a solid D&D background before they gave her a book of spells 😃 Erm, coming to some sort of a point: Stop knocking Christianity and Barnes & Noble carries a lot of silly books that sell well to teens thinking Charmed is a nifty show. Don’t let it get you down. Man, and I thought _7th Heaven_ would make my Teen Generic Non-Denominational Christian set sell like hotcakes. ---
**Author:** ![PhiloVance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@PhiloVance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhiloVance)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2001, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/poser-wiccans-piss-me-off/93452/40 "2001-11-15T07:47:20Z")
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