# Positive Gun News of the Day **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 22, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490 "2015-10-22T22:57:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/241 "2015-11-30T18:05:56Z")
In other news, [Police: Overbrook woman shoots intruder overnight](http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/Police-Overbrook-woman-shoots-intruder-overnight-331406542.html) > [@](#): > > Police Chief Terry Hollingsworth said, shortly after 12:30 a.m., Osage 911 received two calls within minutes. The first was from the resident who told them she shot someone who broke into her home. > > Five minutes later, 48-year-old Bruce Jolly reportedly called 911 and said he had been shot and was at a neighbor’s house. Emergency crews took him to Stormont-Vail Hospital. Victim calls 911, then attacker calls 911 because he was shot. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/242 "2015-12-01T14:29:31Z")
In other news, [Man arrested after being shot during home invasion](http://www.ktnv.com/news/local-man-shoots-burglar-during-home-invasion) > [@](#): > > He did let us take video inside his home showing the window the suspect broke to get inside. > > He told us he was sleeping on the couch when he heard a loud crash. The details were blurry, but he says they locked eyes before he fired one shot and hit the suspect. > > The victim says he has never experienced anything like this, but has owned a gun for personal protection for years. I wonder if he was carrying on his person at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/243 "2015-12-02T16:38:21Z")
In other news,[Reserve woman shoots man in her garage, St. John Sheriff’s Office says](http://www.theneworleansadvocate.com/news/13664961-55/reserve-woman-shoots-man-after) > [@](#): > > A Reserve woman shot a man Friday morning because she said she felt threatened when he approached and grabbed her as she opened the trunk of her car in the garage at her home, according to the St. John the Baptist Parish Sheriff’s Office. > > The 24-year-old woman has not been arrested or charged in the incident, which took place about 12:35 a.m. in the 100 block of Rosenwald Street, the Sheriff’s Office said. > > The woman shot the 45-year-old man, who lives down the street from her, in the upper right chest, the Sheriff’s Office said. > > Neither one’s name has been released. > > Emergency Medical Services transported the man to a hospital, where he was in stable condition, the Sheriff’s Office said. Reserve is the name of the census tract in this case, which was confusing to me at first. Surprising people in their home late at night is not a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/244 "2015-12-03T20:54:35Z")
In other news, [Armed robbery and shooting at North Charleston Waffle House](http://counton2.com/2015/10/10/armed-robbery-and-shooting-at-north-charleston-waffle-house/) > [@](#): > > Just before 5:00 am Saturday, North Charleston police officers responded to the Waffle House at 6907 Dorchester Road in reference to an armed robbery and shots fired. > > When police arrived, officers found the business was robbed, and Davis was shot during the incident. > > A preliminary investigation revealed that a customer shot Davis who was armed. Another incident at a Waffle House. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/245 "2015-12-04T01:33:39Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > In other news, [Armed robbery and shooting at North Charleston Waffle House](http://counton2.com/2015/10/10/armed-robbery-and-shooting-at-north-charleston-waffle-house/) > > Another incident at a Waffle House. That’s literally the same shooting that you started this thread with in October. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/246 "2015-12-04T02:07:53Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > That’s literally the same shooting that you started this thread with in October. Ahh you are right. Must have overlapped my reading. I will endeavor to do better. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/247 "2015-12-04T03:03:01Z")
In light of the earlier dupe, here is a different story. In other news, [ROBBERY VICTIM SHOOTS, KILLS SUSPECT IN NORTH HARRIS COUNTY](http://abc13.com/news/deputies-would-be-robber-shot-killed-by-victim/1024588/) > [@](#): > > One person is dead and another is injured after they allegedly attempted to rob a man carrying a concealed handgun early this morning. > > The suspects approached the man with a gun as he was walking on the 600 block Cypress Station Drive around 1am. > > That’s when deputies say the man surprised the would-be robbers by pulling his own handgun. He fired the gun at both suspects, killing one of them. While this is also in Harris County in Houston, TX, it’s not the same event in Houston identified in post 102 and 125. With so many they do tend to blur. With this one, 2vs1 and ends up with the two attackers shot and the victim unhurt. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/248 "2015-12-04T13:40:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > People are robbed, raped, tortured and killed every day by violent criminals raised in impoverished, high-crime neighborhood inadequately protected by often-racist cops, criminals who face a hard time finding opportunities due to deeply-entrenched institutional racism, and conservatives > [@](#): > > couldn’t care less. Instead they continue to lobby as hard as they can for a reduced social safety net and against restrictions on gun ownership and in favor of draconian measures for felons that encourage criminals to return to crime once their sentence is through, > [@](#): > > which creates even more victims and then get all het up over Black Lives Matter activists’ frustration with the current unjust system. > [@](#): > > Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/249 "2015-12-04T13:46:04Z")
As for this thread, **Bone** , I find it to be a strange mishmash. You’ve got stories that seem pretty clearly indicative that the presence of a gun made things less bad. But other stories are in the “Gun tragedy barely averted” category, stories where one less gun in the situation would have made the situation much better. If someone with a gun attacks a martial artist, and the martial artist disarms the attacker, how is that a positive gun story? Wouldn’t everything in that situation have been better if the single gun in the story hadn’t been there? It’s as if I, trying to persuade folks that marijuana is positive, quote a story in which a stoned driver almost crashes into a pedestrian, but the pedestrian leaps out of the way. Positive pot story! ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/250 "2015-12-04T14:32:26Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > As for this thread, **Bone** , I find it to be a strange mishmash. You’ve got stories that seem pretty clearly indicative that the presence of a gun made things less bad. But other stories are in the “Gun tragedy barely averted” category, stories where one less gun in the situation would have made the situation much better. > > If someone with a gun attacks a martial artist, and the martial artist disarms the attacker, how is that a positive gun story? Wouldn’t everything in that situation have been better if the single gun in the story hadn’t been there? It’s as if I, trying to persuade folks that marijuana is positive, quote a story in which a stoned driver almost crashes into a pedestrian, but the pedestrian leaps out of the way. Positive pot story! Those types of stories are to illustrate instances when criminals are disarmed and their own gun used against them. In my anecdotal experience, I find this happens much more than when criminals are able to disarm their victims and use the victim gun against them. The latter is a common refrain among gun control supporters so I include those types of stories as a counter. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/251 "2015-12-04T14:37:33Z")
In your opinion, what is the ratio of positive gun stories to stupid or tragic stories? No one is suggesting that guns are never used in a justified case of self defense, but that the societal cost of widespread gun ownership overwhelms the benefits. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/252 "2015-12-04T15:58:31Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Those types of stories are to illustrate instances when criminals are disarmed and their own gun used against them. In my anecdotal experience, I find this happens much more than when criminals are able to disarm their victims and use the victim gun against them. The latter is a common refrain among gun control supporters so I include those types of stories as a counter. The problem is that they’re not a counter. Gun control advocates are saying, “See? If guns were harder to obtain, people would be safer on balance.” Your stories make exactly the same point. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/253 "2015-12-04T16:24:25Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > The problem is that they’re not a counter. Gun control advocates are saying, “See? If guns were harder to obtain, people would be safer on balance.” Your stories make exactly the same point. You can interpret it that way, but I don’t. The specific idea of including the types of stories you reference (attacker losing gun) is to counter the idea that the attacker will just take away a victim gun. > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > In your opinion, what is the ratio of positive gun stories to stupid or tragic stories? No one is suggesting that guns are never used in a justified case of self defense, but that the societal cost of widespread gun ownership overwhelms the benefits. I wouldn’t hazzard a guess. Feel free to start a thread to discuss it! * * * In other news, [Homeowner shoots, kills intruder in Pamlico County](http://www.wcti12.com/news/homicide-in-pamlico-county/35766084) > [@](#): > > The home invasion call came in at 3:04 a.m. and sheriff’s deputies responded. The sheriff said three people broke into the home; there were five people inside at the time. > > Deputies said the homeowner shot and killed one of the intruders. The sheriff’s office has not released the identities of the deceased man or the other suspects. With 3 assailants, larger magazines are a plus. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/254 "2015-12-04T17:37:09Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > You can interpret it that way, but I don’t. The specific idea of including the types of stories you reference (attacker losing gun) is to counter the idea that the attacker will just take away a victim gun. Huh. As someone more sympathetic to gun control than you, it doesn’t work at all to counter that idea–showing that if you have a gun, your opponent can sometimes take it from you makes guns look less, not more, safe. What does work to counter it is times when the gun is _not_ taken away from a defending gun owner. Your stories in which assailants are shot or otherwise driven off by gun owners work to counter the “own a gun and it’ll get snatched from you” narrative. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/255 "2015-12-04T19:59:51Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > …raised in impoverished, high-crime neighborhood inadequately protected by often-racist cops, criminals who face a hard time finding opportunities due to deeply-entrenched institutional racism So what’s your point? That because they were raised in conditions that contributed to their becoming vicious criminals the correct and moral thing to do is deliberately disarm ourselves and willingly present ourselves as defenseless victims to whatever evil skullduggery they have in mind? I swear, I will never understand the liberal mind if I live to be a thousand years old. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/256 "2015-12-04T20:06:44Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I swear, I will never understand the liberal mind if I live to be a thousand years old. Plenty of time. You don’t sound a day over 800. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/257 "2015-12-04T20:14:25Z")
If you knew how truly sad and unhappy I am about the death of Scott Weiland you wouldn’t be saying such things. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/258 "2015-12-04T20:16:12Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So what’s your point? That because they were raised in conditions that contributed to their becoming vicious criminals the correct and moral thing to do is deliberately disarm ourselves and willingly present ourselves as defenseless victims to whatever evil skullduggery they have in mind? > > I swear, I will never understand the liberal mind if I live to be a thousand years old. Not to speak for LHOD here, but… I think that type of stuff is important, not because we should forgive someone for committing a violent crime, or let them go free just because they had a bad childhood, but because it informs public policy choices. So the west side of Peoria has been getting more violent in the past few years… how should we proceed? More cops? Curfews? Or greater funding for public schools and after-school programs to try to keep kids out of gangs? And there certainly are cases where for instance a teenager has committed a first violent crime, and is not yet hardened into a lifetime path of violence, when understanding that child’s life up to that point helps us decide whether society as a whole is better off if we treat that child as a troubled youth or a violent thug. Which is NOT to say that we just always get all touchy-feely and refuse to ever lock anyone up or ever try a minor as an adult… but we certainly shouldn’t always react with extreme prejudice. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/259 "2015-12-04T20:19:26Z")
I agree with everything you just said. But **LHoD** seems to object to people using guns to defend themselves because criminals aren’t responsible for the fact they grew up to be criminals, and that makes no sense whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/260 "2015-12-04T20:35:33Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I agree with everything you just said. But **LHoD** seems to object to people using guns to defend themselves because criminals aren’t responsible for the fact they grew up to be criminals, and that makes no sense whatever. There are literally trillions of ways you could misrepresent what I said and have it make no sense. Congratulations, I guess, for finding one of them? You want to lay blame. You want to figure out who’s righteous and who’s guilty. **I want the violence to stop**. Nothing in what I said comes close to condoning violence. But if we want violence to stop, we need to look at why it’s happening. Saying “BAD GUYS BAD” doesn’t get us any closer to understanding why it’s happening. You say you don’t understand the liberal mindset. That may be the Captain Obvious statement of the decade. Sadly, I do understand the conservative mindset (at least, the one you represent): it’d rather lay blame than solve the problem. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=14)