# Positive Gun News of the Day **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 22, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490 "2015-10-22T22:57:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/441 "2016-02-01T19:51:11Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > I suppose if you have a smart phone, or other method of taking a video sharp enough to be of use, and insurance that will cover damages to, or loss of, your vehicle, that is one way to handle it. I do not fault the homeowner for confronting the criminal. A criminal who, we must remember, could simply have unassed the AO at that point. Alas, he decided that the vehicle, or perhaps what was in it, was worth harming the owner. Was the homeowner still under attack when and while he retrieved the firearm? If not, then this was murder. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/442 "2016-02-01T20:43:05Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > I suppose if you have a smart phone, or other method of taking a video sharp enough to be of use, and insurance that will cover damages to, or loss of, your vehicle, that is one way to handle it. I do not fault the homeowner for confronting the criminal. A criminal who, we must remember, could simply have unassed the AO at that point. Alas, he decided that the vehicle, or perhaps what was in it, was worth harming the owner. I answered a particular question. You seem to be finding fault in my answer, but as the answer to some other question. Why don’t you ask the question YOU want answered? But just to satisfy my curiosity, what’s an AO, and how does one ‘unass’ it? ETA: Hell, I just assumed someone else had asked the original question! Maybe try asking the question you want answered the first time? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/443 "2016-02-01T21:06:38Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > This is ‘positive’ gun news?? Howzat? According to the report, the suspect started a fight with the homeowner and was physically assaulting him. At that point, the homeowner’s ability to defend himself was a positive event. > [@RTFirefly](#): > > Tru dat, but you’re the one who has titled this thread ‘Positive Gun News.’ > > ‘Positive’ is a value judgment, not a legal one. There is plenty of repugnant conduct that breaks no laws. Of course. I consider it positive - hence the thread title and my posts in the thread. Was that unclear? Just like someone else considers it positive when firefighters are shot - we all make our own judgments. You may be confused with the discussion of morality or legality - those were introduced by **Esox**. He brought up the criteria of “absolutely necessary” with respect to the morality of a given action and responsible gun ownership. > [@RTFirefly](#): > > Call 911, and take video of the vehicle break-in from inside the house while waiting for the cops in case they don’t arrive before the burglar leaves. I think leaving your house during a suspected vehicle break in is often a tactical error that I personally wouldn’t do. I don’t have valuables in my car and I have good insurance, and I can afford the monetary hit a vehicle theft would involve. However, I don’t fault a person for going out to investigate - that’s a personal choice. Once the suspect escalated, defense was appropriate. An analogy could be a shopkeeper who witnesses a shoplifter. The owner would be completely justified in telling the person, “Hey, don’t steal my stuff!” right? In some cases, the owner can even detain the shoplifter for a brief time. Well, if the shoplifter responds with violence, do we criticize the owner for speaking out? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/444 "2016-02-01T21:27:59Z")
It seems like this part of the story: “The homeowner was able to retrieve a handgun and shot the suspect.” would need further clarification before determining if this was a “positive” gun news story. If the homeowner got hit multiple times, escaped the clutches of the intruder, went inside, grabbed his handgun, and then went back outside to shoot the guy, is that still a legal shooting? Not saying it DID happen that way, which is why I would be interested to know what “able to retrieve a handgun” means. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2016, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/445 "2016-02-01T23:07:14Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > It seems like this part of the story: “The homeowner was able to retrieve a handgun and shot the suspect.” would need further clarification before determining if this was a “positive” gun news story. > > If the homeowner got hit multiple times, escaped the clutches of the intruder, went inside, grabbed his handgun, and then went back outside to shoot the guy, is that still a legal shooting? Not saying it DID happen that way, which is why I would be interested to know what “able to retrieve a handgun” means. [From here:](http://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article44036409.html) > [@](#): > > Richland County Sheriff’s Department investigators say the Lake Carolina resident who shot and killed a man he alleges was breaking into his car Tuesday morning\*\* will not face charges \*\*in the shooting. > > Officials with the department said that investigators determined the\*\* shooting was in self defense\*\*, although they will continue to investigate the incident. > > … > > The man told deputies he stepped outside to confront the suspect, but the suspect began striking him with an unidentified object, Lawrence said. > > Lawrence said the victim was able to retrieve a handgun and shot the suspect. The suspect fled from the home but collapsed 100 yards away. I was surprised there was even a follow up article. In my experience these are usually not events and there isn’t much to go on beyond the funeral services for the deceased when doing a name search. The funeral services or obituary has never had information relating to the incident, and this one is no different. Reading this, I interpret this as the homeowner had the firearm on his person when he stepped outside. It’s not outside the realm of possibility that residents carry with them even when at home - and even more likely when confronting a person breaking into your vehicle. [This article](http://www.wltx.com/story/news/local/2015/11/11/suspect-killed-during-burglary-attempt-identified/75592068/) says about as much, in slightly different language: > [@](#): > > The homeowner said the Finney started hitting him multiple times with an unknown object. According to deputies, the homeowner then pulled out his handgun and fired at the suspect, hitting him in the upper body. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/446 "2016-02-02T00:26:21Z")
Fair enough, thanks for finding more info on the story. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/447 "2016-02-02T00:45:27Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > According to the report, the suspect started a fight with the homeowner and was physically assaulting him. At that point, the homeowner’s ability to defend himself was a positive event. I have been in a few fights instigated by the other party - fortunately, long ago. Never thought killing the other person would have been a positive solution. And in a situation like this one, where there were multiple paths to avoid the necessity of killing the burglar, assuming it was a necessity at that moment, I would expect any non-sociopath to be feeling a great deal of guilt and remorse on that account. > [@](#): > > Of course. I consider it positive - hence the thread title and my posts in the thread. Was that unclear? Just like someone else considers it positive when firefighters are shot - we all make our own judgments. You may be confused with the discussion of morality or legality - those were introduced by **Esox**. He brought up the criteria of “absolutely necessary” with respect to the morality of a given action and responsible gun ownership. I’m not confused in the least. You were the one saying ‘if it’s legal, then it’s OK,’ while he was saying ‘no, just because it’s legal doesn’t make it right.’ To paraphrase Mellencamp: \*Callin’ it the law, ol’ hoss, sure don’t make it right, but if you want me to, I’ll say a prayer for your soul tonight. \* > [@](#): > > I think leaving your house during a suspected vehicle break in is often a tactical error that I personally wouldn’t do. I don’t have valuables in my car and I have good insurance, and I can afford the monetary hit a vehicle theft would involve. However, I don’t fault a person for going out to investigate - that’s a personal choice. I didn’t say I would fault such a person, did I? Scumpup asked me how **I** would prefer for events to have played out. I told him. I’m not sure what problem he had with my response - as you yourself indicate here, that choice was certainly within the realm of reasonable responses. > [@](#): > > Once the suspect escalated, defense was appropriate. Maybe legally. I don’t know what the law is in SC these days; it’s been a couple of decades since I lived in Richland County. But protecting oneself from fists with bullets is AFAIAC not a reasonable thing, unless the guy’s Mike Tyson and will leave you crippled. > [@](#): > > An analogy could be a shopkeeper who witnesses a shoplifter. The owner would be completely justified in telling the person, “Hey, don’t steal my stuff!” right? In some cases, the owner can even detain the shoplifter for a brief time. Well, if the shoplifter responds with violence, do we criticize the owner for speaking out? No. But there’s a rather huge difference between speaking out and killing. I’m speaking out right now, yet I presume my words have no negative effect on your health. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/448 "2016-02-02T17:15:53Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Maybe legally. I don’t know what the law is in SC these days; it’s been a couple of decades since I lived in Richland County. But protecting oneself from fists with bullets is AFAIAC not a reasonable thing, unless the guy’s Mike Tyson and will leave you crippled. The criteria you identify is too narrow. One need not be under attack by Mike Tyson to have a reasonable fear of great bodily injury from fists alone. A average middle aged adult could easily inflict enough damage to meet this standard on another average middle aged adult. Size or age disparity could exacerbate the danger. > [@](#): > > No. But there’s a rather huge difference between speaking out and killing. I’m speaking out right now, yet I presume my words have no negative effect on your health. True, but not on point. If the store owner tells the shoplifter to stop stealing his stuff, and the shoplifter responds by attacking the store owner, would you say the store owner should have called 911, and taken video of the theft from a hidden position while waiting for the cops in case they don’t arrive before the shoplifter leaves, rather than confront the shoplifter? * * * In other news, [Men charged in alleged robbery attempt that led to shooting in Superior](http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/news/crime/3884041-men-charged-alleged-robbery-attempt-led-shooting-superior) > [@](#): > > Superior police officers responded to a report of an armed robbery and shooting at 1411 Belknap St., Superior Coin & Currency, at 4:51 p.m. Thursday. The store owner told police that Semborski and another man entered the store armed with a buck knife, locked the door and demanded money. He shot Semborski with a loaded gun he had in his desk and called 911. The other male ran out of the store. > > Semborski allegedly told Superior police Detective Joe Krieg that he went to the shop because he knew there was cash in the office and admitted to having the buck knife. He approached the owner and asked for money, and the owner turned and shot him. He fell to the floor and kicked the knife away; **he told Krieg it was a really bad idea.** Semborski identified the man with him as Tollas and said they planned to head to Duluth and buy drugs if the robbery was successful. (my bold) Brought a knife to a gun fight and lost. DGU with no deaths. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/449 "2016-02-02T17:30:12Z")
^If I were a reporter in Superior I think I’d go with “police officers from Superior” rather than “Superior police officers”. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/450 "2016-02-02T19:33:20Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > One need not be under attack by Mike Tyson to have a reasonable fear of great bodily injury from fists alone. > (my bold) I’m 5’ 3" and dress out at 110. A middle school football player could beat the snot out of me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/451 "2016-02-02T19:45:18Z")
Two Concealed Carry Customers Thwart Armed Robbery > [@](#): > > A 35-year-old New Jersey man has been identified as the armed robbery suspect who was shot and killed in a shootout during a botched robbery attempt at a Fort Jackson Boulevard barbershop. [http://www.wistv.com/story/31036728/police-two-concealed-weapons-holders-killed-suspect-during-barbershop-robbery](http://www.wistv.com/story/31036728/police-two-concealed-weapons-holders-killed-suspect-during-barbershop-robbery) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/452 "2016-02-02T20:59:06Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > The criteria you identify is too narrow. One need not be under attack by Mike Tyson to have a reasonable fear of great bodily injury from fists alone. A average middle aged adult could easily inflict enough damage to meet this standard on another average middle aged adult. Size or age disparity could exacerbate the danger. Your average middle-aged male adult can’t fight worth a damn anymore, if he ever could. So I kinda doubt it. > [@](#): > > True, but not on point. How is it not? I mean, did you read your own words? You wrote them, I responded to them as written. If you meant something different in your head, and my response isn’t germane to _that_, then that’s your problem, and not mine. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/453 "2016-02-02T21:02:06Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I’m 5’ 3" and dress out at 110. > A middle school football player could beat the snot out of me. > 🙂 Tru dat, but most middle school football players could beat most average-sized middle-aged adult men in a fight, by virtue of (a) a lot more of their weight being muscle, and (b) not being 30 years out of practice with respect to fighting. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/454 "2016-02-02T21:05:17Z")
Some one, go ahead and ask me if I am pro shooting middle school football players, so we can get it over with. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/455 "2016-02-02T22:06:50Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Your average middle-aged male adult can’t fight worth a damn anymore, if he ever could. So I kinda doubt it. You’re really arguing the idea that a person of average build in middle age can’t summon enough energy to inflict great bodily harm sans weapons? How strange. If you are set on this belief I won’t try to convince you. It is quite bizarre. > [@](#): > > How is it not? I mean, did you read your own words? You wrote them, I responded to them as written. If you meant something different in your head, and my response isn’t germane to _that_, then that’s your problem, and not mine. It’s truly surprising this point is lost on you. I’ll try to elaborate. Let’s look at what you wrote: > [@RTFirefly](#): > > No. But there’s a rather huge difference between speaking out and killing. I’m speaking out right now, yet I presume my words have no negative effect on your health. The reason this isn’t on point is because you’ve mangled the the example I used, not responded to what was written. You omitted the part where the shoplifter initiates violence against the store owner. So yes, the store owner telling the shoplifter to stop stealing has no negative effect on anyone’s health, but that’s not the example given. Each of the two statements you made were true, but since they weren’t what was being discussed, they were not on point. Does that make sense now? It’s also strange, because you cut the part of my post where I restated the example, and asked a question to further the point. Here it is again: > [@Bone](#): > > If the store owner tells the shoplifter to stop stealing his stuff, and the shoplifter responds by attacking the store owner, would you say the store owner should have called 911, and taken video of the theft from a hidden position while waiting for the cops in case they don’t arrive before the shoplifter leaves, rather than confront the shoplifter? Do you have a response? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/456 "2016-02-03T16:58:00Z")
In other news,[Shooting in Dacula road rage incident deemed self-defense](http://www.11alive.com/story/news/crime/2015/11/12/shooting-dacula-road-rage-incident-deemed-self-defense/75646524/) > [@](#): > > Gwinnett County police said 34-year-old Jesse Campbell fatally shot Richard Fawbush in the chest because he feared Fawbush was trying to attack him with a homemade weapon. Fawbush was transported to Gwinnett Medical Center in Lawrenceville, but later died. > > Investigators determined that 24-year-old Fawbush and Richard Vawter followed Campbell to his home after the initial disagreement on Braselton Highway. The incident escalated in Campbell’s driveway on Windsong Park Drive. > > “The suspects approached him with a homemade weapon of some sort,” said Cpl. Michele Pihera, a Gwinnett County Police spokeswoman. > > That’s when Campbell pulled out his gun and fired at least one shot," Pihera said. People following you to your home would be considered very aggressive in my book. Though if someone is following, a better destination could be a police station. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/457 "2016-02-03T17:04:50Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > That’s interesting and all, but the law is not concerned with your individual morality. Civilized society in the US has created a system of laws. In zero states in the union is a person required to give a warning if they have a reasonable fear of great bodily injury - and the US is a civilized society. It isn’t just my individual morality. It’s the collective morality of Western civilization of which the U.S. is the lone exception when it comes to guns. Americans have won hard-fought battles for all kinds of civil rights out of a respect for human life, but not where guns are involved. Flooding the country with guns so that criminals and the mentally ill have easy access to them shows a non-civilized lack of regard for human life. (Coincidentally, or not;), people are then encouraged to define themselves as potential victims who need guns to defend themselves. Clever feedback loop, that.) > [@Bone](#): > > If you have information about any incident that would indicate illegal activity, feel free to post it. You are the one using the letter of the law to justify the shootings and disregarding it when it involves investigating the shooters, not me. It’s your job to explain the discrepency, not mine. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/458 "2016-02-03T17:14:21Z")
> [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > It isn’t just my individual morality. It’s the collective morality of Western civilization of which the U.S. is the lone exception when it comes to guns. Americans have won hard-fought battles for all kinds of civil rights out of a respect for human life, but not where guns are involved. Flooding the country with guns so that criminals and the mentally ill have easy access to them shows a non-civilized lack of regard for human life. (Coincidentally, or not;), people are then encouraged to define themselves as potential victims who need guns to defend themselves. Clever feedback loop, that.) So you are saying the US is uncivilized in this matter. Okay well, good luck with that. The collective morality of the US disagrees with you. > [@](#): > > You are the one using the letter of the law to justify the shootings and disregarding it when it involves investigating the shooters, not me. It’s your job to explain the discrepency, not mine. You make a couple mistakes here. First, I’m not disregarding the law. Second, it’s not my job to explain an alleged discrepancy, even if there was one. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/459 "2016-02-03T17:23:52Z")
In other news, [Homeowner uses gun to scare off home invasion suspects](http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/30498720/police-looking-for-4-home-invasion-suspects) > [@](#): > > A Chattanooga family wakes up to find burglars inside their home, but it was the homeowner’s gun that he bought days prior that scared them off. > > “One had a tire iron and the guy that was demanding the money maced me and while he was macing me he was telling the guy with the tire iron to hit me because i wasn’t complying with his demands,” Andrew Buckland said. > > Buckland describes the intense moments early Thursday morning inside his Fairfax Drive home. > > “I leaned down and grabbed my pistol and I cocked it and got it all ready and the sound was enough to scare them off,” he said, “It was money well spent. Even though I didn’t get to fire it off, I don’t want to harm anyone. I just want them to leave me alone.” DGU with no shots fired. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/460 "2016-02-04T16:20:23Z")
In other news, [APD: Home invasion thwarted by armed homeowner](http://www.ktva.com/apd-home-invasion-thwarted-by-armed-homeowner-320/) > [@](#): > > “Suspects approached the home, and when the door was opened, one of the suspects pepper-sprayed the homeowner,” said APD spokesperson Renee Oistad in a statement. > > In response, Oistad said, the homeowner fired “several shots” with a handgun he had with him when he answered the door. The suspects then left in a vehicle. Besides being pepper-sprayed, the homeowner was not harmed. > > Nearly an hour later at 8:46 a.m., Anchorage police were told that a male with a non-life-threatening gunshot wound to his backside had gone to a local hospital, Oistad wrote, adding that APD is trying to find out if the man was involved in the Essex Circle encounter. DGU with no deaths. I personally recommend against answering the door for \*anyone \*that hasn’t been invited. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=24)