# Positive Gun News of the Day **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 22, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490 "2015-10-22T22:57:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/481 "2016-02-10T16:48:42Z")
The guy was grazed on the arm and ran looking for a cop to surrender to. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/482 "2016-02-11T03:01:04Z")
No good deed goes unpunished: [Worker who pulled gun to stop stabbing attack at GM Tech Center fired](http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/88543818-story). FTL: > [@](#): > > "The 52-year-old victim was hospitalized and [the] suspect arrested by police - but the valet service supervisor with a valid CPL who pulled his gun to stop the attack, says he was fired… > > …“The lady kept saying ‘I’m dying, someone help’ and it was just natural reaction,” said Didarul Sarder, SP+ Valet Supervisor. “I just see this lady getting stabbed. I only had like half a second to think and I un-holstered my firearm and pointed it at her to drop the knife…” > > …Sarder told the woman to freeze until she was arrested by police. > > FOX 2: “You probably saved this woman’s life.” GM is claiming he hasn’t been fired, or more accurately, that GM hasn’t requested that the valet company that Sarder works for, fire him. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/483 "2016-02-11T16:29:27Z")
In other news, [Home owner in rural Madison County shoots would-be intruder](http://fox2now.com/2015/11/20/home-owner-in-rural-madison-county-shoots-would-be-intruder/) > [@](#): > > “When (the homeowner) saw him the first time, he realized he didn’t know who he was, so as the incident progressed and the individual didn’t leave, he continued to warn him that he had a fire arm,” Lakin said. > > The sheriff said the warning did not to convince the 29-year-old suspect to leave. > > “In this particular case this individual continued to try to make his way into the home and the homeowner, in fact, fired one shot striking him,” Lakin said. > > The homeowner called 9-1-1 and when deputies arrived, they found the suspect lying in the yard with a gunshot wound in the upper chest. The suspect is being treated for a non-life threatening injury. Charges have not yet been filed. > > “There are risks of being in certain businesses, and when you are a burglar that is a risk that you run. You may get shot,” Lakin said. > > So what advice is the sheriff offering? > > “If you go into a home at 12:30 in the morning, it might be time to change professions,” he said. DGU with no deaths, though a gunshot to the chest. ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/484 "2016-02-11T16:55:29Z")
Upper chest & not life threatening?? What range? What gun & caliber? Define upper chest? I hate reporters… ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/485 "2016-02-11T17:57:58Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > How many fights that don’t involve the word “school” somewhere in the description have you ever been in? I suspect that it is a very small number and your judgement on who is able to damage an opponent is suspect. So how many fights have you witnessed between middle-aged people of average build who hadn’t been in a fight in decades, and were distinctly out of shape? Hell, even when I was in my early teens and was still getting in fights, nobody ever inflicted more than temporary pain on anyone else - and that wasn’t that anyone was holding back, it was that all by itself, it just didn’t happen. I have a hard time believing middle-aged men of average build, but out of shape and years out of practice, would have an easier time landing a punch that did permanent damage. That makes no sense at all. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/486 "2016-02-11T18:17:39Z")
Just for the sake of an example, the last bar fight that I personally witnessed, at an FOE lodge, didn’t have a combatant under 45. They did a right respectable job of damaging each other. One fellow, in fact, exited the club on a gurney due to the broken leg a 60-something year old deliberately gave him with a well timed and placed stomp. None of these men, by the way, were ninjas or commandos or action movie heroes. These were just aging blue collar workers at a normally quiet lodge whose membership consists almost entirely of men like them. So…yeah, you get an older guy who really wants to hurt you, he will. Do not forget, all aging men were once young men and not necessarily nice young men. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/487 "2016-02-11T18:41:10Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I have a hard time believing middle-aged men of average build, but out of shape and years out of practice, would have an easier time landing a punch that did permanent damage. That makes no sense at all. I’m curious why there are parameters regarding age, physical condition and practice. But in any event, I know there was a case locally last year where a guy was punched outside of a bar and hit his head on the sidewalk or curb, and died. Another guy was attacked in a restroom and hit his head on the toilet or sink. He wasn’t killed, but was pretty severely injured. It isn’t unforeseeable that someone could strike their head during a “fight” and have considerable or even permanent damage. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/488 "2016-02-12T16:56:53Z")
In other news, [Couple, ages 70 and 66, holds crook at gunpoint](http://www.koat.com/news/couple-ages-70-and-66-holds-crook-at-gunpoint/36580102) > [@](#): > > George Kennedy says he went out to his garage Thursday morning and saw Lujan loading the couple’s stuff into a Jeep. He said he confronted Lujan, who apparently didn’t care and kept doing what he was doing. > > So George Kennedy got serious. > > “The victim went inside his house, armed himself with a shotgun, grabbed his wife, she armed herself with a handgun, out they came and held the guy at gunpoint,” Tixier said. > > Police would show up moments later and noticed a Metropolitan Detention Center band on Lujan’s left wrist. > > “Where’d you just get out of? MDC?” an officer asks on police footage. > > “Yes, sir,” Lujan said. > > Tixier said Lujan had gotten out of jail the morning before. DGU with no injuries. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2016, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/489 "2016-02-16T14:23:07Z")
In other news, [Laton homeowner shoots up burglary suspects’ pickup truck](http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article46031560.html) > [@](#): > > The victim was on the phone with sheriff’s dispatchers and believed one of the suspects was armed, a sheriff’s spokesman said. The suspects “failed to comply” with victim, who, “fearing for his safety … fired multiple shots at the suspects’ unoccupied GMC pickup.” > > Both suspects surrendered and went to the ground until deputies arrived. The suspected weapon carried by one suspect turned out to be a impact wrench with a pistol grip. DGU with no injuries. I would normally recommend against warning shots myself. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/490 "2016-02-17T15:02:56Z")
In other news, [Resident Exchanges Gunfire with Suspects during Sevier County Home Invasion](http://www.seviernewsmessenger.com/2015/11/23/sevier-county-home-invasion/) > [@](#): > > The resident Armando Morales was unhurt and told officers that he answered a knock at his door to find two men, one black and one white, asking if they could cut firewood. He refused and shut the door. The suspects reportedly fired shots through the door, then kicked it open and entered his home. Morales said he shot at the pair with his own gun and they retreated, but they fired another shot through the window at him as they left. 2 vs. 1 and home invasion thwarted. DGU with no deaths. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/491 "2016-02-17T15:39:31Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > In other news, [Resident Exchanges Gunfire with Suspects during Sevier County Home Invasion](http://www.seviernewsmessenger.com/2015/11/23/sevier-county-home-invasion/) > > 2 vs. 1 and home invasion thwarted. DGU with no deaths. Ballsy of the neighbor to follow armed assailants. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/492 "2016-02-18T00:50:54Z")
In other news, [Police: Dallas homeowner shoots, kills intruder](http://www.wfaa.com/news/dallas-homeowner-shoots-kills-intruder/23755116) > [@](#): > > According to Carlos Almeida, a spokesman with Dallas police, the unnamed homeowner said he fired the fatal shot as the two men attempted to break into his house in the 2600 block of Lakeland Drive. > > The shot suspect was transported to Baylor Hospital, where he was later pronounced dead. 2vs1 and the one prevailed. This story is light on details but I include it to show another example of multiple assailants. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/493 "2016-02-18T16:31:55Z")
In other news, [Suspect Shot Saturday During Morning Burglary](http://www.myhighplains.com/news/suspect-shot-saturday-during-morning-burglary) > [@](#): > > The homeowner said he saw two burglars removing his property from a shed in the back of his house. The homeowner armed himself with a pistol and ran outside to confront the burglars. He ordered them to the ground. One of the burglars aggressively threw down the items he had stolen and violently lunged at the homeowner. The homeowner then shot the burglar. The homeowner continued to hold both burglars at gunpoint while police were on the way, but the burglars took off running from the scene. > > Officers searched the area for both burglars but were only able to locate one of them. Officers found the burglar who had been shot and he was transported to a local hospital for the injury he sustained. 2vs1 and the 1 prevailed. DGU with no deaths. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2016, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/494 "2016-02-19T16:32:14Z")
In other news, [TPD: Concealed-Carry Gunowner Shoots Attempted Robber At Burger King](http://www.newson6.com/story/30625584/tpd-concealed-carry-gunowner-shoots-attempted-robber-at-tulsa-burger-king) > [@](#): > > Tulsa police say a man leaving a Burger King was forced to shoot another man who approached him with a crowbar in a robbery attempt. > It took place at 41st and Memorial on Sunday before 5:30 p.m. > > According to police, the man is licensed to carry a concealed weapon and was acting in self-defense. Robber brought a crowbar to a gun fight. DGU with no deaths. And since that is a rather short article, here one more: [Home intruder shot, wounded](http://www.chieftain.com/news/pueblo/4164182-120/intruder-police-block-shot) > [@](#): > > An initial investigation revealed that the home owner had returned to his house to find a male inside. > > A confrontation started and the male intruder was shot. He was transported to a local hospital and was last known to be in stable condition, according to police. DGU with no deaths. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/495 "2016-02-19T19:11:23Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Just for the sake of an example, the last bar fight that I personally witnessed, at an FOE lodge, didn’t have a combatant under 45. They did a right respectable job of damaging each other. One fellow, in fact, exited the club on a gurney due to the broken leg a 60-something year old deliberately gave him with a well timed and placed stomp. None of these men, by the way, were ninjas or commandos or action movie heroes. These were just aging blue collar workers at a normally quiet lodge whose membership consists almost entirely of men like them. So…yeah, you get an older guy who really wants to hurt you, he will. Do not forget, all aging men were once young men and not necessarily nice young men. And I notice they were aging _blue collar workers_, IOW people who work with their hands and tools, rather than at a desk or behind a counter. I’m sorry, I thought I specified _average_, not all on one side of average. > [@Orwell](#): > > I’m curious why there are parameters regarding age, physical condition and practice. But in any event, I know there was a case locally last year where a guy was punched outside of a bar and hit his head on the sidewalk or curb, and died. Another guy was attacked in a restroom and hit his head on the toilet or sink. He wasn’t killed, but was pretty severely injured. It isn’t unforeseeable that someone could strike their head during a “fight” and have considerable or even permanent damage. Because most out-of-shape middle-aged guys couldn’t land that punch that knocked someone down, that’s why. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2016, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/496 "2016-02-19T19:24:47Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > And I notice they were aging _blue collar workers_, IOW people who work with their hands and tools, rather than at a desk or behind a counter. > > I’m sorry, I thought I specified _average_, not all on one side of average. > Because most out-of-shape middle-aged guys couldn’t land that punch that knocked someone down, that’s why. You’re moving the goal posts so vigorously that they are little more than a blur. Why don’t you just go ahead now and add that you meant middle-aged, out of shape guys who are blind, have multiple sclerosis, are missing a limb, and work at a desk or behind a counter? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2016, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/497 "2016-02-19T20:25:26Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > And I notice they were aging _blue collar workers_, IOW people who work with their hands and tools, rather than at a desk or behind a counter. > > I’m sorry, I thought I specified _average_, not all on one side of average. > Because most out-of-shape middle-aged guys couldn’t land that punch that knocked someone down, that’s why. You’re pretty far afield here. The original statement you made was this: > [@RTFirefly](#): > > Maybe legally. I don’t know what the law is in SC these days; it’s been a couple of decades since I lived in Richland County. But protecting oneself from fists with bullets is AFAIAC not a reasonable thing, unless the guy’s Mike Tyson and will leave you crippled. Essentially arguing that lethal self defense was inherently unreasonable against an unarmed person unless the person was Mike Tyson. This is absurd, to which I responded: > [@RTFirefly](#): > > > [@Bone](#): > > > > The criteria you identify is too narrow. One need not be under attack by Mike Tyson to have a reasonable fear of great bodily injury from fists alone. A average middle aged adult could easily inflict enough damage to meet this standard on another average middle aged adult. Size or age disparity could exacerbate the danger. > > Your average middle-aged male adult can’t fight worth a damn anymore, if he ever could. So I kinda doubt it. Your position is that an average middle aged adult cannot inflict enough damage to meet the standard of great bodily harm. As I said, absurd. Even unarmed, it does not take much for a person to summon energy to bash your head against a sharp object, or even the ground. This isn’t about fighting where two people agree toduke it out, it’s about the potential risk that a person may present. This possibility is independent of a person’s ability to resist, or the requisite skill or fitness level to accomplish this. The point is that unarmed people can present a reasonable fear of risk of great bodily harm, and once that standard is met, a person is legally justified in using lethal force in most cases. Your position is wrong on the law, and in reality. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2016, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/498 "2016-02-20T23:39:23Z")
In other news, [POLICE: HOMEOWNER SHOOTS, KILLS MAN TRYING TO KICK IN HIS DOOR IN SE HOUSTON](http://abc13.com/news/police-homeowner-shoots-kills-man-trying-to-kick-in-his-door/1103003/) > [@](#): > > The shooting happened late last night on Canyon Street in southeast Houston. > > Houston police tell us two men had an argument earlier in the day when one of the men returned and tried to kick in the other man’s door. > > The homeowner shot the man and he was pronounced dead at the scene. I wonder if the guy actually got through the door, or the homeowner shot through the door. I actually find it surprising how many folks try to kick in doors, and how many are successful. I would think it’d be tough to kick in a door - mine certainly would be. Deadbolts and a solid wood door. If someone tried to kick it in I think I’d have time to make a pot of coffee let alone retrieve sufficient defense tools. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2016, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/499 "2016-02-21T02:20:10Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I would think it’d be tough to kick in a door - mine certainly would be. Deadbolts and a solid wood door. If someone tried to kick it in I think I’d have time to make a pot of coffee let alone retrieve sufficient defense tools. I should think that it is determined by how big, ugly, and drunk the kicker is. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2016, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/500 "2016-02-21T09:20:40Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I would think it’d be tough to kick in a door - mine certainly would be. Some doors aren’t particularly strong. And doors that are strong often have weak frames. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=26)