# Positive Gun News of the Day **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 22, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490 "2015-10-22T22:57:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/41 "2015-10-26T03:13:39Z")
> [@Common\_Tater](#): > > Agreed it’s tragic but it is certainly a better outcome than the alternative where the perpetrator is successful and/or harms innocent people. Wouldn’t you agree? Not necessarily - A life vs losing the money in the till to a fuckwit thief? Between the two I know which I would choose - even if it was my personal money ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/42 "2015-10-26T15:53:39Z")
[Four arrested after home invasion, fatal shooting in Pembroke Pines](http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/pembroke-pines/fl-pines-fatal-shooting-20150911-story.html) > [@](#): > > Three men entered the home through an unlocked front door. > > As a couple in one bedroom was being robbed, another resident looked out a window and saw an armed man, his face covered with a bandana, standing outside, according to a Pembroke Pines police report. > > The resident fired a Glock pistol through his apartment window, striking Milot Desir, 23, of Miramar, who fell down a flight of stairs, police said. > > Milton Pouchon Desir, 20, of Miramar, and Eddrick Lee Butler, 21, and Cleveland Glover, 23, both of Hallandale Beach, drove the wounded Milot Desir to Memorial Hospital West in Pembroke Pines, where he was declared dead. The Desirs are brothers, according to police. 4 people planned a home invasion and ends with all suspects apprehended or dead and no other injuries. Sounds pretty positive to me. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/43 "2015-10-26T16:13:15Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Not necessarily - > A life vs losing the money in the till to a fuckwit thief? > > Between the two I know which I would choose - even if it was my personal money The problem is that handing over the money to the robber in no way guarantees your safety. He may well kill you to eliminate witnesses or just out of spite. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/44 "2015-10-26T21:23:21Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > You’ve offered nothing that is persuasive to change the position I stated in post #22. I actually don’t care since it’s a hijack, but NJ was clearly facing severe storm damage at that time and both the [Office of Emergency Management and FEMA were involved with the State Police.](http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/06/christie_power_being_restored_to_south_jersey_no_d.html) You could make a claim that t[he storm response wasn’t as swift](http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2015/06/gloucester_county_officials_disappointed_with_chri.html) if an actual state of emergency was declared, but I think that’s besides the point. Fletcher was asked to go to NJ as part of his job, he was arrested on non violent gun related charges that would not be a crime in his home state, and he was pardoned. Those are the salient facts of this story. Not quite sure why you’re interested in the other minutiae - don’t mistake this for thinking I want to know because I don’t. You also don’t want to know why the New Jersey law was enacted. You’re content to call it asinine just because it’s a restriction on guns, period. You don’t get to post a propagandized story from a partisan website and not expect to be called out on it, not on this board. If you’re having trouble explaining how power outages are a disaster, try contacting the writer at [ConcealedNation.com](http://ConcealedNation.com). A responsible, objective journalist such as he should welcome a chance to justify his choice of words.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Common\_Tater](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/common_tater/32/13846_2.png) [@Common\_Tater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Common_Tater)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/45 "2015-10-26T22:29:16Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Not necessarily - > A life vs losing the money in the till to a fuckwit thief? > Between the two I know which I would choose - even if it was my personal money Would you shoot to kill in order to protect life from an armed robber? ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/46 "2015-10-27T00:37:32Z")
> [@Common\_Tater](#): > > Would you shoot to kill in order to protect life from an armed robber? If I’m “protecting life” it’s not an armed robber but a murderer. In that situation yes. Between killing someone and the $200 or $300 in the till (or my wallet), no I wouldn’t shoot to kill. ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/47 "2015-10-27T00:41:36Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > You must be really bummed out by the tens of thousands of people who die every single year in car accidents. Well I certainly consider those deaths to be tragic, and I wouldn’t include them in a thread called Positive Car News of the Day. Come to think of it, I am strongly opposed to drunk driving, and have posted it about it numerous times on this board, mostly to cite the positive statistics about the massive decline in drunk driving deaths in the U.S. since 1980. So while you can’t live life being depressed by every death that happens, I do care about those deaths in the aggregate, and I do take time to be saddened for a moment by tragic incidents such as the one that took place in Oklahoma on Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/48 "2015-10-27T00:59:08Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > If I’m “protecting life” it’s not an armed robber but a murderer. In that situation yes. Okay, so let’s say a guy breaks into your home or walks into your place of business, points a gun at you, and says “Give me all your money.” After you’ve given him all your money one of two things will happen. He will leave you in peace or he will kill you, either to make sure there’s no witness or because he’s overcome by holding the power of life and death in his hands, and, being the loser he undoubtedly is, decides to exercise a little power for once in his life and shoots you to death, just because. Now at just what point did he switch from being a robber to being a murderer? And since you’re now dead because you valued his life more than your money and thought he was only a robber, how to you propose to then overcome your reluctance and decide to kill him because he’s suddenly turned from being a robber into being a murderer and it therefore became necessary for you to ‘protect life’ and kill him? ---
**Author:** ![Common\_Tater](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/common_tater/32/13846_2.png) [@Common\_Tater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Common_Tater)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/49 "2015-10-27T14:32:43Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > If I’m “protecting life” it’s not an armed robber but a murderer. In that situation yes. Between killing someone and the $200 or $300 in the till (or my wallet), no I wouldn’t shoot to kill. Yes, but that’s a distinction without a difference, as someone mentioned earlier there’s no way to tell beforehand what someone’s intentions are. By definition an armed robber is already threatening your life, you think? “Give me your money, or I’ll kill you.” They are willing to murder at one level, at least in principle. If not, they are certainly willing to convey that image. One of the more aggravating weasel phrases one will hear in the press goes something like “A robbery gone bad”, as if there is some kind of official protocol to these things and if nobody gets hurt it’s just another day that ends in Y. This is why not very many are going to get too spooled up about it, if the perpetrator is harmed or killed, so much the better to this line of thought. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/50 "2015-10-27T15:28:53Z")
The robber in the Waffle House story was leaving and was shot in the doorway by a guy in the parking lot who had been out there watching the whole thing. The real positive news is that this guy shot into a restaurant full of people and only hit the bad guy. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/51 "2015-10-27T15:34:17Z")
[Florence resident shoots intruder, police say](http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2015/09/florence_resident_shoots_intruder_police_say.html) > [@](#): > > The suspect, later identified as 42-year-old Robert Marshal of Florence, had entered the home through an open garage door and was met by one of the residents, police said. > > During an ensuing struggle, one of the residents suffered a knife injury. He was later taken to the hospital and released. > > Another resident fired a shot at Marshal, who then fled the scene, police said. > > He was found nearly 12 hours later hiding in a closet in an apartment at Florence Tollgate Place. He suffered a gunshot wound to the arm and was taken to the hospital. It’s a good thing the homeowner brought a gun to a knife fight. ---
**Author:** ![Common\_Tater](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/common_tater/32/13846_2.png) [@Common\_Tater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Common_Tater)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/52 "2015-10-27T15:53:21Z")
Well he was probably a decent enough shot compared with say, the cops in NYC. Plenty of horror stories there, “spray and pray” and hitting everyone BUT the intended target. One thing that is apparent the willingness for these individuals to threaten and rob the public is considerably dampened by the possibility that their intended victims will shoot back. Yes, the whole thing stinks but that ship sailed long ago and it’s going to get worse before it gets worse. While I don’t have a concealed carry permit there is some benefit to me because I live in a “shall issue” state - a criminal will have to gamble, that I may not be carrying - that he feels lucky. Most people at worst just don’t care if an armed robber gets plugged. Why should they? It’s way down the list of “Shit I Need To Worry About”. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/53 "2015-10-27T17:23:20Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > And to head off the questions about what is the positive news here, the known gang member with a long criminal record was able to get a gun! Positive news, for weird values of ‘positive,’ I suppose. > [@](#): > > The positive news is that the homeowner was able to defend himself, and turn the tables on the people attacking him. Sounds like positive martial arts news to me, since that’s how the homeowner defended himself. By your account, there was nothing positive about the presence of a gun in this encounter. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/54 "2015-10-27T17:41:00Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > You must be really bummed out by the tens of thousands of people who die every single year in car accidents. And you know what? We folks on the left side of the spectrum have been working to reduce automobile deaths and increase safety for 50+ years. Mandatory seat belts, shoulder harnesses, ‘click it or ticket,’ air bags, child booster seats, standards for absorbing the shock of a crash - we lefties have supported them all, and often faced stiff opposition from the right. Not to mention, we’d like to see more public transit available in more places, which would save a hell of a lot more lives, but there, also, the right thinks that’s communism or something. So I get kinda tired of this “well, what about car crashes?” from gun lovers. We’ve made things way safer there. We’ve gone from 54,589 automobile deaths in 1972 to 32,719 in 2013, from 1 of every 3845 people getting killed by cars each year, to 1 of every 9667 people per year. So yeah, we’ve been bummed by needless automobile deaths for a long, long time, and we’ve acted on that. Successfully. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/55 "2015-10-27T17:44:15Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > [Four arrested after home invasion, fatal shooting in Pembroke Pines](http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/pembroke-pines/fl-pines-fatal-shooting-20150911-story.html) > > 4 people planned a home invasion and ends with all suspects apprehended or dead and no other injuries. Sounds pretty positive to me. Took 42 posts, but finally some positive gun news. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/56 "2015-10-27T17:46:38Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > [Florence resident shoots intruder, police say](http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2015/09/florence_resident_shoots_intruder_police_say.html) > > It’s a good thing the homeowner brought a gun to a knife fight. Sounds like a locked door would have been equally effective. ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/57 "2015-10-28T06:18:11Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > So I get kinda tired of this “well, what about car crashes?” from gun lovers. We’ve made things way safer there. We’ve gone from 54,589 automobile deaths in 1972 to 32,719 in 2013, from 1 of every 3845 people getting killed by cars each year, to 1 of every 9667 people per year. > > So yeah, we’ve been bummed by needless automobile deaths for a long, long time, and we’ve acted on that. Successfully. Maybe so, but you don’t SHOW it, in the same way that you react to deaths from guns. Murders from guns are only about 1/3 the number of traffic deaths–yet you scream bloody murder, as if that were the national tragedy to end all tragedies. You stomp your feet, and wail, and generally carry on as if you personally knew every single person who was murdered with a gun. Just in the same way we hear the twin cries, “Think of the children!” and “If it saves one life, it’s worth it!” whenever a child is accidentally killed with a gun – and yet when it comes to the subject of backyard swimming pools, (which kill far more children than guns do), the silence is deafening. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/58 "2015-10-28T21:53:15Z")
[Frankfort gas station clerk pulls gun on armed robber](http://www.mysuburbanlife.com/2015/09/16/will-county-police-frankfort-gas-station-clerk-pulls-gun-on-armed-robber/am4vlco/) > [@](#): > > An attempted armed robbery was foiled by a Frankfort gas station clerk who used a handgun to scare away a suspect. > … > The clerk said a man – who was about 6 feet tall and 175 pounds, wearing a black ski mask and black clothing – walked into the store and pointed a .38 caliber handgun at him, Hoffmeyer said. > > The clerk yelled at the robber to leave, and the masked man then fled on foot, she said. The clerk later admitted to having a handgun himself and pointing it at the suspect, which caused him to depart. No shots fired and no dead robbers so it would not be captured in any statistic available - still a DGU. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/59 "2015-10-28T22:49:42Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > Maybe so, but you don’t SHOW it, in the same way that you react to deaths from guns. Murders from guns are only about 1/3 the number of traffic deaths–yet you scream bloody murder, as if that were the national tragedy to end all tragedies. You stomp your feet, and wail, and generally carry on as if you personally knew every single person who was murdered with a gun. > > Just in the same way we hear the twin cries, “Think of the children!” and “If it saves one life, it’s worth it!” whenever a child is accidentally killed with a gun – and yet when it comes to the subject of backyard swimming pools, (which kill far more children than guns do), the silence is deafening. It is not _Think of the Children_, but last I checked pools are rarely use to commit armed robbery. If the NRA would meet most of America part way the gun owners would not be reviled collectively. We need nationwide waiting periods, registration, limitations on automatic weapons and non-ferrous guns. We need gun safety training to be mandatory. Things like this would have me on the gun owners side, instead I see the crap the NRA does on behalf of gun owners and it makes the gun supporters look very unreasonable. Cars have to be registered, so why not guns? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/60 "2015-10-28T23:34:15Z")
As noted before, because car registration isn’t motivated by a desire to reduce car ownership, punish car owners, or confiscate cars. We have years and years of the gun control lot making their agenda and goals clear, yet it is a mystery why we don’t trust you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=4)