# Positive Gun News of the Day

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [October 22, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490 "2015-10-22T22:57:05Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\
**Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/621 "2016-03-30T13:32:07Z")

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Thanks, all. Very interesting.

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**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\
**Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/622 "2016-03-30T13:48:28Z")

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> [@Fear\_Itself](#):
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> Yes. In California, [Vehicle Code Section 17150](http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=veh&group=17001-18000&file=17150-17159):

Thanks for that link. There is more to the statute than that, including stated limits of liability, but I’m still dumbfounded. I’m wondering why/how this ever got included in the vehicle code. I realize we’re talking about CA, but still??? That’s nuts.

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**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\
**Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/623 "2016-03-30T14:17:55Z")

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> [@Orwell](#):
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> Thanks for that link. There is more to the statute than that, including stated limits of liability, but I’m still dumbfounded. I’m wondering why/how this ever got included in the vehicle code. I realize we’re talking about CA, but still??? That’s nuts.

So that lawyers will have someone with money to sue.

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**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\
**Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/624 "2016-03-30T14:24:39Z")

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> [@carnivorousplant](#):
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> So that lawyers will have someone with money to sue.

Of course, that is exactly correct. But it doesn’t make it right.

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**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\
**Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/625 "2016-03-30T14:28:21Z")

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> [@Orwell](#):
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> Of course, that is exactly correct. But it doesn’t make it right.

Of kourse it doesn’t. WelKom to the People’s RepubliK of Kalifornia. Welcome to my world.

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**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\
**Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/626 "2016-03-30T14:33:01Z")

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> [@Orwell](#):
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> Of course, that is exactly correct. But it doesn’t make it right.

Indeed.  
But we are not speaking of right and wrong, we are speaking of the law.  
:dubious:

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**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\
**Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/627 "2016-03-30T15:23:52Z")

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In other news, [Homeowner shoots robber when threatened with pistol](http://www.kristv.com/story/30904708/suspected-robber-shot-by-victim)

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> Corpus Christi police say the couple came home to the 1300 block of Calle San Marcos just before 9 p.m. when they were approached by a man with a gun.
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> The suspect tried to order the 69-year-old man to hand over his wallet. Instead, the victim pulled out his handgun and shot the 23-year-old suspect.
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> The homeowner then held the man on the ground until police arrived. The suspect is in stable condition and faces charges of aggravated robbery and unlawful possession of a firearm.

DGU with no deaths. Pretty solid mental awareness on the part of the 69 year old.

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**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\
**Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/628 "2016-03-30T15:37:12Z")

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Good on him, I am glad that the homeowner and his wife are safe and uninjured. While it is a tragedy that someone did get shot, at least it was the armed robber who was shot. The fucker got what he deserved.

That was back in January. This article says the homeowner is not likely to be charged. [Texas: Armed Robber Shot Twice By Homeowner](http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2016/01/texas-armed-robber-shot-twice-by-homeowner/#sthash.6Ex3upQT.dpuf)

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> An armed robber in Corpus Christi, Texas got more than he bargained for last week when he targeted a homeowner who happened to be carrying a handgun.
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> KRIS 6 News reports that an elderly couple had just pulled up to their house located on the 1300 block of Calle San Marcos after going out shopping when they were suddenly approached by a man with a gun in their driveway.
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> The suspect demanded the homeowner, a 69-year-old Vietnam veteran who is hard of hearing, hand over his wallet. Once the homeowner realized what was happening, he took action to protect himself and his wife. He drew his handgun and shot the suspect twice — once in the stomach and once in the back. He then held the suspect on the ground at gunpoint until police arrived.
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> Police arrived and the suspect was transported to an area hospital. He is currently in stable condition and has been charged with aggravated robbery and unlawful possession of a firearm.
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> The homeowner, a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, according to KRIS 6 News, is not likely to face charges as a result of the incident.

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**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/629 "2016-03-31T15:01:00Z")

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In other news, [Columbia County man shoots armed home intruder](http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/columbia-county-man-shoots-armed-home-intruder_npzxd/40032026)

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> Alberto Casola, 63, woke up Thursday night to the sound of someone breaking into his home on August Road, according to deputies.
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> Casola grabbed his pistol and went downstairs, where he found a man inside his living room.  
> He shot at the man, later identified as 25-year-old Steven Craycraft, and hid inside a bathroom.
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> Casola said he heard Craycraft drop something and fall to the floor.
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> When Casola opened the bathroom door, Craycraft got up from the floor and ran, leaving behind a trail of blood.  
> …  
> Deputies said an investigation revealed that Craycraft had done work for Casola at some point.

DGU with no deaths. I’m going to say it’s fair to give a bad review on Angie’s List if someone you hire to do work in your house comes back to rob you.

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**Author:** ![dba\_Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@dba\_Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dba_Fred)\
**Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/630 "2016-04-01T11:43:41Z")

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Police: Man shot after attempt to set Mesa homeowner on fire

Mesa police are investigating a shooting that occurred after they say a man set fire to a mobile home and attempted to light the homeowner on fire Wednesday around 1 a.m.  
Police say the incident took place near Dobson and Broadway roads in Mesa at the Holiday Village mobile-home park.  
According to police, a 20-year-old man attempted to set fire to the a mobile home within the complex. When the homeowner heard a commotion, he exited his mobile home and confronted the man, police said.  
The man then sprayed the homeowner’s face and body with lighter fluid and attempted to set him on fire, police said.  
The homeowner then shot the man in the arm, and the man fled, running a street or two over from the mobile home, police said.  
Police were able to find the man from a blood trail and heard his shouts about his injury.  
The man was transported to a hospital with non-life-threatening injuries.

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**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\
**Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/631 "2016-04-01T14:49:01Z")

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In other news, [Willmar man comes home to burglar, pulls gun](http://www.wctrib.com/news/local/3919753-willmar-man-comes-home-burglar-pulls-gun)

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> Upon entering his living room, he saw a man holding a buck knife.
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> Shane Fellers, 37, of St. Cloud, has been charged in Kandiyohi County District Court with felony counts of first-degree burglary of an occupied dwelling and burglary with a dangerous weapon, as well as a misdemeanor charge for providing a false name to a police officer.
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> Court documents say the homeowner drew a firearm he had a permit to carry and pointed it at the burglar for self-defense. Fellers allegedly put the knife down.

DGU with no injuries. Once the burglar put down the knife, it seems the homeowner didn’t consider him a threat and the burglar left. Apprehending the burglar would be great, but if it’s a choice between shooting him or a peaceful exit for police, better to allow him to leave than to kill him for sure.

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In more news, [Mom Shoots Would Be Burglar](http://abc22now.com/news/local/mom-shoots-would-be-burglar-01-09-2016)

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> One 30 year old man is learning that the hard way after allegedly trying to break into a home on Michigan Avenue late last night.
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> A 23 year mom and her two year old son were in their home.
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> She heard a noise.
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> "He removed a screen and was in the process of entering her residence, said Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office Detective Walt Steele.
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> The woman was startled and called her boyfriend.
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> “He was several minutes away by that time the subject was trying to break into her residence.” said Steele.
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> To protect herself, she fired shots to protect her house and her child," said Steele.
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> White circles on the street mark the spot where blood drops were once the man ran from the house.
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> There’s also blood trail marks in the grass, down the street from the house, in front of an abandoned building.
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> It’s where the would be burglar collapsed and he had a gunshot wound to the head.

DGU with no deaths, though a gunshot to the head.

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**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2016, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/632 "2016-04-02T18:33:35Z")

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In other news, [Cops: Liquor store clerk fatally shoots 2 would-be robbers, 15 and 17](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-two-robbers-shot-to-death-20160109-story.html)

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> Citing preliminary information, authorities said two people walked into the store, and one of them hopped over the counter.
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> That person hit the clerk standing behind the counter, while the other remained in front of the counter, authorities said.
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> Meanwhile, a relative of the store owner heard a commotion upstairs and saw the robbery suspects from a stairwell, authorities said.
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> He pulled out a gun and opened fire on the two, killing them, authorities said. At least one of them was armed with a gun.

2vs1 until another person intervened. DGU with 2 robbers dead.

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**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\
**Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/633 "2016-04-03T08:44:37Z")

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In other news, [STORE CLERK SHOOTS, KILLS SUSPECTED ROBBER IN NW HOUSTON](http://abc13.com/news/store-clerk-shoots-kills-suspected-robber-in-nw-houston/1153305/)

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> Two Hispanic men entered the store armed with pistols and hankerchiefs concealing their faces.
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> The female store owner turned over money to the robbers as demanded before locking the plexiglass enclosure to protect herself.
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> At one point, police say one of the robbery suspects began chasing the store owner’s 30-year-old son around the shop. Meanwhile, the other suspect attempted to climb over the 8 foot enclosure to get the woman.
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> The male store clerk pulled a gun and opened fire inside the store. One of the suspects managed to get away, while the other died in the front door of the shop.

DGU with one death. Even after meeting the robbers demands they were not satisfied and as a result one ended up dead, though from the article I can’t tell which.

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**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\
**Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/634 "2016-04-03T16:32:16Z")

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Pressing the like button.

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**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\
**Post date:** [April 4, 2016, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/635 "2016-04-04T15:43:11Z")

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In other news, [Deputies ID trespasser shot by homeowner in Clearwater](http://www.tbo.com/news/breaking-news/largo-homeowner-shoots-trespasser-20160110/)

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> According to Pinellas County deputies, 69-year-old Wayne Nundy and his 66-year-old wife, Linda A. Nundy, returned to their home at 2072 Whitney Drive in Clearwater around 2 p.m. when she spotted the suspect — 28-year-old Jacob J. Desimone — walking into a garage/bark in their enclosed backyard.
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> While his wife called 911, Nundy armed himself with a .40-caliber semi-automatic pistol and entered the garage, deputies say.  
> …  
> Nundy told detectives he told Desimone to leave as many as 50 times, but Desimone did not comply, repeatedly stopping and making aggressive movements toward him before the two went outside and continued to circle one another on the patio near a shallow pool.
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> Deputies say Desimone, who deputies say was reported missing or endangered earlier Sunday morning, lunged toward Nundy several times, at one point trying to strike Nundy with a metal patio chair.
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> Nundy shot Desimone after he lunged at Lundy, deputies say.
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> Desimone was transported to Bayfront Health St. Petersburg for treatment of life-threatening injuries, deputies said.

DGU with no deaths. Two sexagenarians vs. a 28 year old, though it seems like the attacker may have been suffering from mental illness.

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In more news, [Tampa convenience store clerk shoots would-be robber armed with knife, police say](http://home.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/police-investigating-shooting-outside-east-tampa-convenience-store/2260850)

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> In Monday’s incident, Anthone Bryant, 22, walked into the store, approached the clerk, Mutasem Abusafyeh, 38, and showed what police described as “a large knife.”
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> “He said something indicating he was going to rob the store,” Tampa police spokesman Steve Hegarty said.
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> Abusafyeh then picked up a handgun and shot Bryant in the head, police said. Bryant was taken to Tampa General Hospital with what police described as life-threatening injuries.

DGU with no deaths, though a gunshot to the head. Robber displays a knife and promptly gets shot - a foreseeable consequence of some bad decision making.

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**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\
**Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/636 "2016-04-05T15:30:10Z")

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In other news, [Cops: Store owner fatally shoots robbery suspect](http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20160112_Cops__Store_owner_fatally_shoots_robbery_suspect.html)

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> Philadelphia police said three men entered Miss Jessie’s Stop N Shop on the 900 block of South 12th Street around 8:30 a.m. with a gun and announced a robbery.
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> The store owner then opened fire, police said.
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> One of the men was shot in the head and pronounced dead at the scene at 8:44 a.m. His name was not immediately released.
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> A second suspect, a 22-year-old man, was taken into custody while the third escaped though was possibly injured.

3vs1 and the 1 prevailed. DGU with 1 robber dead, 1 robber apprehended, and another robber who ran away. I’m actually curious what the ratio of multiple person vs. single person robbery/crime is.

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**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2016, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/637 "2016-04-06T15:44:40Z")

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In other news, [Detectives Investigate Non-Fatal Shooting at Temple Hills Home](http://pgpolice.blogspot.com/2016/01/detectives-investigate-non-fatal.html)

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> On January 13, 2016, at about 1:50 am, patrol officers were called to the 3900 block of Brinkley Road for the report of a shooting. When they arrived, they found the suspect with gunshot wounds to his legs. He was taken to a hospital for treatment. Preliminarily, his injuries are not considered life threatening.
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> The preliminary investigation reveals the two residents were alerted by the family’s dog to a noise at the front door. The residents discovered the suspect was outside and appeared to be trying to get inside. The suspect had already pried open their storm door. One of the residents called 911; the second resident got a weapon and shot the suspect through the front door.

DGU with no deaths. That’s a good dog. While storm doors, dogs, etc. are good to have, they really only give you potentially more time if a person is determined to do harm. In this case, enough time to call 911 and and retrieve available arms.

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In more news, [Authorities ID home intruder shot by Dripping Springs resident](http://www.statesman.com/news/news/crime-law/authorities-intruder-wounded-after-shot-by-drippin/np3jk/)

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> The woman, who was with her three children, ages 9, 14 and 17, said she saw a man exit a vehicle that was parked in her driveway.
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> The man failed to open the locked front door but then entered the kitchen through the garage, she later told deputies.
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> The woman, who was armed with a handgun, said she confronted the suspect and demanded that he leave but he refused. Fearful about the safety of her children and herself, she said she fired one round at the man, hitting him in the abdomen.

DGU with no deaths. Apparently the intruder had just been released from jail after being arrested for aggravated assault of a police officer. I’m sure he was a stand up guy.

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**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2016, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/638 "2016-04-06T15:52:29Z")

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> [@Bone](#):
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> DGU with no deaths. That’s a good dog. While storm doors, dogs, etc. are good to have, they really only give you potentially more time if a person is determined to do harm. In this case, enough time to call 911 and and retrieve available arms.

Time is valuable, especially when or if your arms are locked up. Dogs can be a great Early Warning System.

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**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/639 "2016-04-06T16:01:42Z")

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> [@Bone](#):
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> In other news, [Detectives Investigate Non-Fatal Shooting at Temple Hills Home](http://pgpolice.blogspot.com/2016/01/detectives-investigate-non-fatal.html)
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> DGU with no deaths. That’s a good dog. While storm doors, dogs, etc. are good to have, they really only give you potentially more time if a person is determined to do harm. In this case, enough time to call 911 and and retrieve available arms…

Shooting is in Prince Georges County, MD. In that county, I’m not sure that I’m shooting someone through my front door. Even if he’s already pried off my storm door. Is there an immediate threat of deadly harm or serious bodily injury if the bad guy hasn’t gotten through the front door yet? I’m not sure that there is, in the hypothetical eyes of a PGC State’s Attorney. And if there isn’t, then why are they shooting?

I hope it works out for the homeowners.

> [@Bullitt](#):
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> Time is valuable, especially when or if your arms are locked up. Dogs can be a great Early Warning System.

Completely this. Dogs are great for figuring out when something’s wrong, and giving you time to get your shit together. Also, from accounts of burglars I’ve read, dogs aren’t a guarantee your home won’t get robbed—and they won’t stop a determined bad guy—but they make it tougher, and he might just decide to pick another house or apartment that doesn’t have one.

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**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2016, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/640 "2016-04-06T16:06:56Z")

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> [@Bullitt](#):
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> Time is valuable, especially when or if your arms are locked up. Dogs can be a great Early Warning System.

Yep. My Chihuahua is a very light sleeper. Late the other night he woke me up to tell me that there was somebody on the porch who didn’t belong. I hit the lights, but what/whoever was out there was already gone. That’s the great thing about dogs. They don’t have to be large and bitey to be worthwhile additions to security.

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