# Positive Gun News of the Day **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 22, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490 "2015-10-22T22:57:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/741 "2016-05-06T19:42:07Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Is this an example of how it is difficult to move around with a shotgun inside the house? I would say so. I fully realize there are different opinions and schools of thought on this issue. Personally, I don’t think a shotgun is the best choice. It is long, cumbersome and hard to maneuver. It may not be bad for barricading yourself in a room, but it is unwieldy for answering a door. And people who tout how “you don’t have to aim, just point in the general direction” are completely wrong. A load of buckshot (which is appropriate for defensive use , not birdshot) will barely start to spread out within the 10 to 20 foot distances typically found in a home. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/742 "2016-05-06T22:30:15Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > A load of buckshot (which is appropriate for defensive use , not birdshot) will barely start to spread out within the 10 to 20 foot distances typically found in a home. Excellent point. You know, I have no idea what the spread pattern looks like for mine. I should take it to the range to test that. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/743 "2016-05-07T02:19:04Z")
When I bought the 12 gauge I fired #3 at a target on a trashcan at about 24 feet. The trash can had .32 size holes in a pattern 12" in diameter. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/744 "2016-05-08T03:08:11Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Is this an example of how it is difficult to move around with a shotgun inside the house? This is a matter of personal preference. I personally don’t think a shotgun is an ideal choice for home defense in most scenario. They are heavy, difficult to operate with one hand, a stronger person can easily gain leverage over the weapon in close quarters. A proper load of 00 buck will spread something like 4-8 inches at typical interior ranges. At close range, a proper load will remove flesh and bone. * * * In other news, [Cops: Atlanta woman shoots, kills man who had ‘harassed’ her for days](http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/cops-man-killed-in-se-atlanta-had-harassed-woman-w/nqLSW/) > [@](#): > > According to an Atlanta police incident report, the man, whose name has not been released, was chasing the unidentified woman through a parking lot on the 500 block of Jefferson Chase Circle when he “approached [her] in a manner that reportedly caused [her] to fear for her safety.” > > The woman allegedly pulled out a handgun and shot the man once in the chest, killing him. The woman remained at the scene and is cooperating with homicide detectives, authorities said. DGU with one death. After harassing the woman for days, the attacker carried it too far. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2016, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/745 "2016-05-08T06:16:28Z")
Granny has a gun and knows how to use it. Three out of four shots hit the intruder. Husband still in hospital. Hope he recovers ok. > **[80-year-old woman shoots and kills intruder who attacked her husband](https://www.nydailynews.com/2016/05/07/80-year-old-woman-shoots-and-kills-intruder-who-attacked-her-husband/)** > > Granny’s got a gun. Barb Moles, an 80-year-old with eight grandchildren and three great-grandkids, shot and killed a home intruder who stabbed her husband last week in Washington. “You … > [@](#): > > Barb Moles, an 80-year-old with eight grandchildren and three great-grandkids, shot and killed a home intruder who stabbed her husband last week in Washington. > > “You know how mothers are with their kids. That’s the way I am with my husband,” she told KOMO. “I just protect his back. I’m not just the typical granny — in case you haven’t noticed.” > > The woman, whose adult son was also home at the time, heard an altercation in her house and walked into the kitchen to discover her husband John lying in a pool of blood. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/746 "2016-05-09T15:37:24Z")
In other news, [Birmingham cab driver shoots, wounds customer during struggle over fare](http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2016/02/1_shot_during_argument_on_birm.html) > [@](#): > > Birmingham police spokesman Lt. Sean Edwards said the taxi driver, whose name hasn’t been released, picked up a fare this morning in Southside. There was some type of disagreement with the pay amount between the taxi driver and the citizen in the cab. > > "We don’t know exactly what that was, but there was some type of struggle,‘’ Edwards said. “A witness even saw that the customer that was sitting in the car began to attack the taxi driver. He was striking and all of the sudden the taxi driver grabbed his firearm. I guess he wanted to defend himself and during that process the customer was shot.” > > The shooting happened inside the cab, and the customer was shot in the leg. "During the struggle, the taxi driver attempted to strike him with the firearm and at that time firearm went off and struck him in the leg,‘’ he said. DGU with no deaths. I wonder how often taxi drivers are crime victims. Like pizza delivery drivers, they can be summoned to a location and often carry cash. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/747 "2016-05-10T15:34:36Z")
In other news, [Police: Gun owner saved cop from attack by kids](http://articles.philly.com/2016-02-11/news/70513387_1_chitwood-teens-gangsters) > [@](#): > > “There were 40 kids. If it wasn’t for the good Samaritan stepping forward, he’d have been dead meat,” Upper Darby Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood said. “There’s no doubt they would have attacked him.” > … > That afternoon alone, police responded to three fights in three locations near the school. When the dust settled, eight teens, ages 13 to 17, were charged with crimes, and two officers were injured so severely that it’s unclear when they’ll be able to return to work, Chitwood said. > > The most egregious of the incidents took place on Wayne Avenue near Marshall Road, less than a mile from the high school. > > An officer who broke up a fight between two teen boys that had attracted a large crowd at that location was holding one of the combatants at bay when the teen’s opponent attacked the officer, Chitwood said. > > “As he breaks up the fight, he takes one kid and then the other jumps [on] him. Now he’s fighting two of them and he’s calling for an assist officer at the same time,” Chitwood said. “There’s a crowd of 40 or 50 kids watching the fight, and they all move in towards the officer.” > > That’s when the good Samaritan, who lives on the block, came out of his house with a gun in his hand and told the teens to get away from the cop, Chitwood said. > > “He had the gun in his hand, but he didn’t point it at the kids, he just told them to back off,” Chitwood said. “If this guy didn’t come out and come to the aid of the officer, this officer would have had significant problems.” DGU with no gun related injuries. While it’s a good thing that the person was able to defend the police, that’s a tough call stepping in between a cop and 40 kids looking to do harm. It could have ended much worse. And on a related note, the Police Superintendent Chitwood has made some comments revealing he is not a friend to gun owners. This is a time where one defended one of his officers. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/748 "2016-05-10T17:00:32Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > In other news, [Police: Gun owner saved cop from attack by kids](http://articles.philly.com/2016-02-11/news/70513387_1_chitwood-teens-gangsters) > > DGU with no gun related injuries. While it’s a good thing that the person was able to defend the police, that’s a tough call stepping in between a cop and 40 kids looking to do harm. It could have ended much worse. And on a related note, the Police Superintendent Chitwood has made some comments revealing he is not a friend to gun owners. This is a time where one defended one of his officers. Filthydelphia is not a safe place. They also have a long history there of trying to ignore state preemption. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/749 "2016-05-10T18:09:30Z")
Homeowner defends himself from a cab driver and another man who pursued him, then forced their way into his home: > [@](#): > > A South Carolina man who shot and killed his cab driver and another man who were apparently chasing down his unpaid fare has been granted bail after invoking the “Stand Your Ground” defense. DGU, two dead. > [@](#): > > “If he wouldn’t have burned those bodies, he would be a free man." [his attorney] said. [He is expected to post bail next week.](http://gawker.com/south-carolina-man-who-burned-bodies-of-men-he-killed-m-1775720708) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/750 "2016-05-10T18:55:51Z")
““They were essentially just slow-cooked inside the grave site,” Deputy Solicitor Bryan Alfaro said Monday.” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/751 "2016-05-11T09:17:05Z")
I’m not sure that’s a positive gun story. He basically robbed the cab driver of his fare money and then shot him and another man and THEN burned and buried the bodies. This is not a responsible gun owner. This is not a responsible human being of any sort. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/752 "2016-05-11T15:24:23Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’m not sure that’s a positive gun story. He basically robbed the cab driver of his fare money and then shot him and another man and THEN burned and buried the bodies. > > This is not a responsible gun owner. This is not a responsible human being of any sort. From what’s in this article it I tend to agree. The guy takes a taxi home from a strip club, enters his house after not paying the fare, and when the cabbie breaks and enters to demand his fare he is shot 8X with a .45? Then the defendant wants to claim a Castle Doctrine defense? > [@](#): > > “If he wouldn’t have burned those bodies, he would be a free man,” Harris (defendant’s atty) said. Bull. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/753 "2016-05-11T15:41:40Z")
In other news, [Police: Peoria homeowner shoots would-be burglar in leg](http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/peoria/breaking/2016/02/11/police-peoria-homeowner-shoots-would--burglar-leg/80236674/) > [@](#): > > A couple told officers they heard their doorbell ring multiple times about 9 a.m. but did not answer it. > > Shortly after, the couple heard glass breaking. The husband made his way to a window, where he saw a male figure trying to enter through the window and another standing outside, police said. > > The husband fired one shot, hitting the intruder in the leg. The intruder fled on foot, police said. DGU with no deaths. I’ve known folks who answered a doorbell to a stranger and the person ringing would be surprised that someone was home. Then you get strange responses like asking to use a phone, pretending to sell something, asking for a person that doesn’t live there. All of these could be pretexts to see if someone was actually home. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/754 "2016-05-11T16:18:57Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > From what’s in this article it I tend to agree. The guy takes a taxi home from a strip club, enters his house after not paying the fare, and when the cabbie breaks and enters to demand his fare he is shot 8X with a .45? So it’s OK for someone with a civil dispute over payment of a debt to take the law into their own hands and break into someone’s house to collect it? ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/755 "2016-05-11T17:37:57Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So it’s OK for someone with a civil dispute over payment of a debt to take the law into their own hands and break into someone’s house to collect it? I agreed with **Gyrate**. Why wasn’t that clear? I reread my post, to check. You took that out of context. Read my post again. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/756 "2016-05-11T19:27:04Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > I agreed with **Gyrate**. Why wasn’t that clear? I reread my post, to check. You took that out of context. Read my post again. I did. What is wrong with shooting someone who breaks into my home? The fact that I owe a cab driver money is irrelevant. That is a civil issue for the courts, or the police. How is breaking and entering justified? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/757 "2016-05-12T01:43:21Z")
We don’t know who did what regarding the cab fare. Breaking into the home was wrong, and destroying the bodies was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/758 "2016-05-12T05:43:58Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I did. What is wrong with shooting someone who breaks into my home? The fact that I owe a cab driver money is irrelevant. That is a civil issue for the courts, or the police. How is breaking and entering justified? Okay I see your point but I do not buy it that the customer not paying the fare is irrelevant. He did not pay the fare, that is theft and is a factor in what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/759 "2016-05-12T08:56:17Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I did. What is wrong with shooting someone who breaks into my home? The fact that I owe a cab driver money is irrelevant. That is a civil issue for the courts, or the police. How is breaking and entering justified? It’s not. But neither is shooting them completely “justified”. In the chain of events “A robs B, B gets angry and confronts A, A shoots B in self-defense” A deserves a much bigger share of the blame than in the case of someone fending off an unprovoked home intruder. B should have called the police - but so should have A. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2016, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/760 "2016-05-12T12:06:34Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > It’s not. But neither is shooting them completely “justified”. > > In the chain of events “A robs B, B gets angry and confronts A, A shoots B in self-defense” A deserves a much bigger share of the blame than in the case of someone fending off an unprovoked home intruder. > > B should have called the police - but so should have A. So A has no right to defend himself when his home is invaded? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=39)