# Positive Gun News of the Day **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 22, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490 "2015-10-22T22:57:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/901 "2016-07-03T05:57:52Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > You wait until the suspect poses a threat to life or limb. Yes of course. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/902 "2016-07-03T14:34:10Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Other than attempting robbery. His actions were clearly unlawful. Do you wait until the suspect injures or kills someone before deciding to stop him? The subsequent information clarifies that the robber had a gun, clearly posing a threat that justifies deadly force. I have no problem with this particular case. However, your comment made before that information was available suggests that when someone’s “actions [are] clearly unlawful” that deadly force is automatically justified based on what we imagine they might do. Merely performing an unlawful act does not justify carrying out an immediate death sentence determined by a person whose only qualification to make that decision is that they are carrying a gun. I appreciate that this thread is cherry-picking “good guy with a gun” anecdotes to make a point, and it does not surprise me that such cases exist. But these anecdotes are a small fraction of the tens of thousands of cases of death by gun violence each year in the U.S. and the issue persists as to what can be done to lower those numbers. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/903 "2016-07-03T15:09:28Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > But these anecdotes are a small fraction of the tens of thousands of cases of death by gun violence each year in the U.S. and the issue persists as to what can be done to lower those numbers. Convince these guys to not commit robbery. Find some way for them to be employed. Start some programs to that being a thief isn’t fun and not admired. I don’t have a clue how. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/904 "2016-07-03T15:26:09Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > when someone’s “actions [are] clearly unlawful” that deadly force is automatically justified No it is not justified. Definitely not. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2016, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/905 "2016-07-03T15:34:22Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > However, your comment made before that information was available suggests that when someone’s “actions [are] clearly unlawful” that deadly force is automatically justified based on what we imagine they might do. Actually, the law says that a person is justified in using deadly force to defend themselves if they have a reasonable fear of great bodily injury or death, during the commission of a felony. [CA PC 197](http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=187-199): > [@](#): > > 1. Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in > any of the following cases: > 2. When resisting any attempt to murder any person, or to commit a > felony, or to do some great bodily injury upon any person; or, Robbery is a felony. It can totally be justified based on what a person might do, as long as that imagination is reasonable. * * * In other news, [61-Year-Old Woman Shoots Intruder, Then Burglars Attack Her](http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/03/28/61-year-old-woman-shoots-intruder-then-burglars-attack-her/) > [@](#): > > Awoken in the middle of the night by two home intruders, a 61-year-old Terrell woman reached for her gun and shot one of the burglars. > > However, when the woman’s gun ran out of bullets, she said the uninjured burglar attacked her. > > “He must of heard me clicking it because that’s when he came back and beat me up really bad,” said the woman, who asked CBS11 not to use her name out of fear for her safety. > > The woman said she suffered a concussion and her face was covered with cuts and bruises. > > Knowing one of the suspects was shot and likely needed medical attention, investigators were able to quickly track the two suspects down at the Texas Regional Medical Center at Sunnyvale. > > Saul Guzman, 21, was found inside the hospital being treated for a non-life threatening gun-shot wound to the stomach. > > Investigators found the second suspect, Pedro Guzman, 21, sitting in his car across the street from the hospital at a gas station. DGU with no deaths. Here is a clear example of a person needing greater magazine capacity. Her injuries would likely be avoided if she had more rounds available. In any event, 2v1 and the 1 survived and the two were arrested. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2016, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/906 "2016-07-04T12:40:02Z")
Not a DGU, but as it’s the 4th of July today, [Army Veteran Rescues Eagle Stuck In Tree](http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/07/01/veteran-rescues-bald-eagle/) > [@](#): > > Earlier this week, Jason Galvin and his neighbors noticed an eagle dangling from a tree near Rush City. Its leg was caught in a piece of rope that was wrapped around a branch, about 70 feet off the ground. > > “I thought it was dead at the time,” Jason said. “I took a closer look with binoculars and saw that the head was moving, and I knew it was very much alive.” > > … > > Jackie begged her husband — an army veteran who served two tours in Afghanistan — to shoot the four inches of rope that were holding the eagle. > > “At a certain point I was like, ‘You know what? It’s going to die. I’ve got to get that thing out,'” Jason said. > > After getting the go-ahead from the DNR, Jason grabbed his .22 long rifle, bellied up to the back of his truck, and went to work using his own eagle eye to attempt an unlikely rescue. > > “It was weird shooting in the direction of a bald eagle,” Jason said. “I was very nervous. I didn’t want to hit that bird.” > > … > > “It took an hour and a half and 150 shots. I had to bust down and expose the rope and chip away,” Jason said. > > “We watched it fall into the branches. It was a perfect fall,” Jackie said. > > A neighbor and a conservation officer helped wrap the eagle in a blanket, and it was taken to the Raptor Center at the University of Minnesota. It’s expected to survive. > > “The neighbors nicknamed it Freedom. It was up to us to free it. It’s Fourth of July weekend, so Freedom’s the name,” Jason said. Apparently he got the go ahead from the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources to shoot the eagle free when they determined there was no safe way to attempt a rescue. That’s good shooting. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2016, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/907 "2016-07-04T13:39:51Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Actually, the law says that a person is justified in using deadly force to defend themselves if they have a reasonable fear of great bodily injury or death, during the commission of a felony. [CA PC 197](http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=187-199): > > Robbery is a felony. It can totally be justified based on what a person might do, as long as that imagination is reasonable. I don’t dispute that. I was responding specifically to a post by Bullitt, which is its entirety said > [@Bullitt](#): > > Other than attempting robbery. His actions were clearly unlawful. Do you wait until the suspect injures or kills someone before deciding to stop him? Had this post instead said, “His action would clearly be interpreted as a threat to a reasonable person” then I would not have responded to it. Perhaps that was implied but I am not in the habit of making other people’s implications for them. > [@](#): > > Here is a clear example of a person needing greater magazine capacity. Her injuries would likely be avoided if she had more rounds available. In any event, 2v1 and the 1 survived and the two were arrested. I think we could play the “likely” game without end. With two attackers we could also envision a situation where one attacker grabs her weapon and uses it on her, like [this case](http://www.trivalleycentral.com/casa_grande_dispatch/arizona_news/aj-man-shot-by-intruder-with-his-own-gun/article_8a2a64ea-570e-11e5-8276-db82cdd5d9e1.html). > [@](#): > > Pinal County authorities say an Apache Junction-area man was shot and wounded with his own gun after he went to investigate noises in his backyard and was disarmed during a scuffle with an intruder. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/908 "2016-07-05T14:51:28Z")
In other news, [Police: Would-be robber fatally shot during Uptown hold-up](http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/police-would-be-robber-shot-during-uptown-hold-up/) > [@](#): > > Two 23-year-old men were unloading a vehicle in an alley in the 1000 block of West Winona about 10:30 p.m. when a 28-year-old man walked up and demanded their things, according to Chicago Police. > > One of the younger men handed over his cellphone and wallet, but when the robber said he was taking the car, the other 23-year-old pulled out a gun and shot him multiple times, police said. > > William C. George, 28, was taken to Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead at 2:59 a.m. Friday, according to the Cook County medical examiner’s office. George lived in the 7700 block of South Lowe. > > Police said he had been on parole for a past armed robbery conviction. DGU with one death. Before people in Chicago were able to obtain carry permits, these types of stories were very rare in Chicago. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/909 "2016-07-05T16:21:42Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > I don’t think so. The media has done a good job ignoring this story, given that it happened several days ago, even while sit-ins and other protests are being held by gun control advocates in the wake of the similar FL event. The mainstream media doesn’t want to report events like this, so they don’t. I read about this event on an alternative media outlet, but haven’t heard a peep from mainstream sources. Turns out that since the gunman didn’t plan to go on a shooting spree before he left home it can’t be considered a mass shooting. Ergo, no need for national coverage. [Snopes](http://www.snopes.com/2016/06/30/concealed-carrier-prevents-mass-shooting-at-south-carolina-nightclub/) ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/910 "2016-07-05T20:03:20Z")
“It took an hour and a half and 150 shots” > [@Bone](#): > > That’s good shooting. I’d hate to see what you consider BAD shooting. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/911 "2016-07-05T21:16:39Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > “It took an hour and a half and 150 shots” > > I’d hate to see what you consider BAD shooting. Killing the eagle would be bad. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/912 "2016-07-06T14:52:49Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Killing the eagle would be bad. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. I’m pretty sure I could fire 150 rounds in an hour and a half and NOT hit an eagle. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/913 "2016-07-06T14:55:54Z")
In other news, [Armed robbers surrender after Cleveland deli worker draws gun](http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/03/armed_robbers_surrender_after.html) > [@](#): > > The owner was manning the store about 9:45 p.m. and talking to a friend who was helping him run the shop, police reported. Two masked men burst into the pointing guns and demanded money. > > A man walking by the store saw the two masked men enter the store with guns, reports show. He flagged down a passing police car. > > Back inside the store, the owner emptied the register of about $300, police said. The robbers grabbed the cash and ran toward the front of the store. > > The pair stopped when they saw an officer standing outside, the owner said. They turned around and ran toward the back of the store. > > The man’s friend grabbed a gun from behind the counter and ran after the robbers, reports show. > > As one of the robbers entered the back room, the friend grabbed him slammed him into the wall, police said. The second robber hid in the bathroom. > > The friend told police he tried to coax the robber out of the bathroom, saying “my gun is bigger than yours.” > > The robbers surrendered and begged the man not to shoot him, reports show. The friend ordered them to the ground and handed the owner his gun while he searched the robbers for weapons. He found a gun and a magazine in their pockets. DGU with no injuries or shots fired. I think there’s a good argument to be made about carrying on your person rather than having the firearm somewhere that it needs to be retrieved. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/914 "2016-07-07T20:42:34Z")
In other news, [Wasilla man fleeing troopers confronted and shot by homeowner he shoved](http://www.adn.com/crime-justice/article/man-running-troopers-shot-wounded-wasilla-homeowner/2016/03/31/) > [@](#): > > An attempted traffic stop in Wasilla on Wednesday ended with the driver running from his vehicle and assaulting a homeowner who then shot him, according to Alaska State Troopers. > > … > > Instead of stopping, Tallman hit the gas in the 2005 Ford Ranger, leading troopers on a high-speed pursuit and blowing past a stopped school bus before bailing out of the truck on Pine Street. As a perimeter was formed in the area, Tallman ran into a homeowner, who realized Tallman was being pursued by the troopers. > > “The homeowner told Tallman to stop,” troopers wrote. “Tallman shoved the homeowner, causing the homeowner minor injuries. Tallman eventually charged the homeowner and the homeowner pulled a firearm and shot at Tallman.” DGU with no deaths. Guy couldn’t catch a break. Always nice to aid the police. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/915 "2016-07-08T14:49:08Z")
In other news, [Home invasion suspect critically injured](http://dailyjournalonline.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/home-invasion-suspect-critically-injured/article_e977f4ea-1810-5555-a155-1d76f9807a4e.html) > [@](#): > > “All indications show two suspects arrived at the residence and the homeowner appeared through the open door and saw people,” said Jacobsen. “He recognized one, but the other subject was wearing a mask and they came into the residence demanding medication. A struggle ensued and the homeowner/victim is on oxygen full time and he was hooked to an oxygen tank.” > > Jacobsen said they threw the homeowner onto the couch and at that point he was able to retrieve a weapon that he had and shot the one man. He fired one shot striking him in the abdomen. At that point both suspects of the home invasion fled out of the residence and into a vehicle in the driveway and went to Coleman Street in Potosi in the city limits. DGU with no deaths. I’m not sure how the people were able to gain entry, but this is another example where carrying on your person may have been better. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/916 "2016-07-09T02:19:24Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > but this is another example where carrying on your person may have been better. Can you by chance explain what you mean by this? We should be carrying our guns around the house with us at all times? ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/917 "2016-07-09T02:39:53Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > “It took an hour and a half and 150 shots” > > I’d hate to see what you consider BAD shooting. With a .22 at that range and the gun was probably just a plinker rather than a match grade competition rifle. I’d classify that as well above average shooting. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/918 "2016-07-09T03:37:31Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Can you by chance explain what you mean by this? We should be carrying our guns around the house with us at all times? You got the meaning just fine. Everyone needs to make choices for themselves about what works best for them. All choices will have a tradeoff. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/919 "2016-07-09T03:51:37Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > With a .22 at that range and the gun was probably just a plinker rather than a match grade competition rifle. I’d classify that as well above average shooting. An hour and a half to shoot 150 shots is good shooting? How many would be “bad” shooting? 8 hours and 1000 shots? Please :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/920 "2016-07-09T03:54:12Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > You got the meaning just fine. Everyone needs to make choices for themselves about what works best for them. All choices will have a tradeoff. Of course everyone needs to make their own choices. But you seem to insinuate that people in their own homes should be carrying their guns around with them as they are making dinner or going to the bathroom, just in case there is a home invasion. ARE you advocating that? If somebody asked you “Should I carry my gun around when I’m in my home?” would you say “Yes. Yes you should” If you are NOT advocating that, then just say so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=47)