# Positive Gun News of the Day **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 22, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490 "2015-10-22T22:57:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/81 "2015-11-03T12:48:46Z")
1. Why are we quibbling about whether the guy was a “disaster relief worker” or not? It’s a stupid point. And a relatively benign story - “guy accidentally breaks law which is different than in his home state in way that harms no one, is briefly punished but it all gets sorted out”. I’m not complaining. 2. To me the “good news” in the other story in the OP is that the customer who shot the robber didn’t accidentally shoot someone else in the process. I’m glad it all turned out well, but I’m not a fan of encouraging vigilantism. 3. I note at least two stories where a person’s gun is taken away from them and used against them. I could have sworn we were told elsewhere that this hardly ever happens? 4. I see **Starving Artist** is picking fights with imaginary liberals again. So sad. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/82 "2015-11-03T17:07:48Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I’d feel better without the whooping and hollaring when someone \*gets \*to shoot someone because I was always told that it’s a tragedy when someone \*has \*to shoot someone. I guess I must have let my Eddie Eagle newsletter subscription lapse. If it’s affecting your mental health and well being, or how you are feeling, perhaps this thread is isn’t for you. It is a tragedy when someone has to defend themselves by shooting someone - but that is from the perspective of the the shooter - it’s a tragedy for the person defending them self. When a person defends them self by killing their attacker, it’s unfortunate for the attacker that they are dead, but I wouldn’t call that tragic. More like an expected outcome of poor choices. It’s a tragedy that an innocent would have to go through the ordeal and experience of having to defend them self. > [@Gyrate](#): > > 1. I note at least two stories where a person’s gun is taken away from them and used against them. I could have sworn we were told elsewhere that this hardly ever happens? I’m not sure where you got the idea that losing a firearm in an altercation never happens - of course it happens. In a general sense, when law abiding folks including police defend themselves, it’s bad if they lose their weapons. When aggressors lose their weapons in the commission of a crime and have it used against them that’s good. My conjecture is that people trained with firearms are less likely to lose their weapons while defending themselves as compared to poorly trained or disciplined criminals losing their weapons while committing a crime. I would say that law abiding folks losing their weapons while defending themselves wouldn’t fit the subject matter of the thread however. * * * And in other news, [Police: Elderly man shoots robbery suspect who pointed a gun at his wife](http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2015/09/21/burglary-suspect-shot-head-eastside/32529013/) > [@](#): > > A 76-year-old man shot a robbery suspect in the head critically injuring him inside his Eastside home early Monday evening. > … > Police said Talley was attempting to rob the 75-year-old woman inside her rental office. When the suspect pointed a gun at the woman, her husband, who Talley didn’t see, appeared from the back of the house. > > Fearing for his wife’s safety, he pulled out a handgun and critically injured Talley with multiple gunshot wounds. > > Medics responded to the scene and transported the suspect to Eskenazi Hospital where he remains in critical condition, police said. > > IMPD Sgt. Brian Gabel told an Indianapolis Star reporter at the scene that the robbery suspect had multiple open warrants for his arrest in Indianapolis, including strangulation, dealing drugs, possession of a firearm without a license and resisting law enforcement, according to online court records. A 27 year old person with experience in the criminal justice system vs a 75 year old couple. As a force multiplier, the firearm is probably the only reason this turned out okay for the couple. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/83 "2015-11-03T17:28:16Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > A 27 year old person with experience in the criminal justice system vs a 75 year old couple. As a force multiplier, the firearm is probably the only reason this turned out okay for the couple. Excellent point. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/84 "2015-11-03T20:46:23Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > 1. I see **Starving Artist** is picking fights with imaginary liberals again. So sad. Sounds to me like you’re ignorant of liberal efforts to make gathering evidence as difficult as possible and to lessen prison sentences and lobby for early parole. I’ve seen some of the board’s liberals speak proudly of their successes in these areas on this very board. And of course we have the examples of Great Britton, where crimes we consider heinous routinely draw minimal prison terms and early release (barring politically incorrect crimes, that is, for which harsh sentencing predictably has become the norm), and of countries like Sweden and Norway, where being sentenced to prison is like living in a nice hotel or on a college campus. If you’re a victim, conservatives are your friend. If you’re a criminal, liberals are your friend. What’s sad is that you’re ignorant of this propensity on the part of your ideological brethren. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/85 "2015-11-03T21:06:09Z")
And before anyone brings up my misspelling of Great Brittain, I plead force of habit. Some years back I worked for a company with Britton in the name and got used to spelling it that way. Mea culpa. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/86 "2015-11-04T00:10:07Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Maybe if conservatives would stop giving themselves tax cuts at the expense of corrections budgets, we wouldn’t have to release convicts early from over-crowded prisons. Conservatives rarely consider the unintended consequences of their actions. Can you give us an example of where this actually happened? ---
**Author:** ![Vaevictis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f04885/32.png) [@Vaevictis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vaevictis)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/87 "2015-11-04T01:43:36Z")
Guns are designed to kill – after all we must not point a gun at anyone we do not want to die. So given that most gun killings are suicide I’d say suicide by gun is about as positive as you can get about these tools. Most of the time that people fire them effectively it is to kill themselves (what is it, to the rate of 2 a day? Not sure off top of my head… thinking United States stats here). Sure, defending yourself against a threat is great, but let’s face it the main REAL use of a gun against a human is for suicide – that is just a statistical fact. So let’s celebrate the two or whatever folks a day who use this tool to kill themselves. And, hey, let’s celebrate that their guns made them feel safe before they ended their lives. Having a gun but not using it gives a chance to feel safe, and once you’re ready for the suicide and you finally find a good reason to use it for real – what is not to love? It gave you comfort until now when it is a convenient tool to end your life. Sounds like win/win to me. Get a gun, feel good about it as long as you need, and then remove yourself from our population in one of the more easy and pain free methods possible. To sum it up, I guess I think the best gun news of the day is when gun owners kill themselves. Guns are very good tools for that and I am always happy to see folks do things using the best tools possible. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/88 "2015-11-04T16:09:07Z")
> [@Vaevictis](#): > > To sum it up, I guess I think the best gun news of the day is when gun owners kill themselves. Guns are very good tools for that and I am always happy to see folks do things using the best tools possible. Praising people committing suicide…stay classy! * * * In other news, [Elderly man shoots suspected burglar inside home (audio plays from news story)](http://www.fox10phoenix.com/arizona-news/23256819-story) > [@](#): > > The homeowner a 60-year-old man was home alone when he heard someone in his back yard and then glass breaking. As he saw the suspect enter the home through a window the man warned the suspect he had a gun. > > He warned the suspect a second time and police say he perceived a threat so he opened fire. > > The suspected burglar ran to an alley where officers found him. > > Paramedics treated the man and took him to a hospital in extremely critical condition. Just another day in AZ. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/89 "2015-11-04T19:26:43Z")
> [@](#): > October figures for the FBI NICS, (National Instant Criminal Background Check System), show a continuing trend of record breaking sales. Numbers for October 2015 were just released. Another 1.9 million background checks. > **[nics\_firearm\_checks\_-\_month\_year.pdf](https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf)** > > 342.03 KB Of course the disclaimer at the bottom of the chart reminds us that these background checks do not translate into direct sales numbers, but most felons and others who know that they cannot purchase a gun don’t apply to buy. Some small subset of these checks are refused sales of the gun for various reasons. But they are still the best figures we have to estimate actual sales. 17 and a half million checks so far this year and we are just now entering the holiday shopping season. Regardless of how it is usually portrayed in the media, these can’t be just the “gun nuts” buying 20 million guns each year. Anti-gun types always point to the Australian buy back program as a model for the future of gun control in the US. This chart shows why that idea is ridiculous when applied to the US. The Australian buy-back took in about a week’s worth of US gun sales, maybe. And many of those poorly armed Australians simply replaced their illegal gun with a more acceptable version. Every time a pimple-faced mentally ill loser shoots up a school, another million guns are sold. Every time the current or presumed future president goes on TV to say something must be done, another 12 million are sold. The Europeans, Australians, and other posters on this board really should take a long look at the numbers on the FBI chart to understand why the gun buy-back idea, or any kind of confiscation plan will simply not work in the US. Who are these people who are buying all these guns? Answer, not the gun nuts. Normal people with concerns. Hunting game did not somehow become more popular, wild animals did not overtake the cities. I leave it up to the individual to wonder what is going on. ---
**Author:** ![Dave\_Hartwick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7feea3/32.png) [@Dave\_Hartwick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Hartwick)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/90 "2015-11-05T11:39:02Z")
I just checked, albeit not exhaustively. Not a single gun homicide in Australia today. Seems pretty positive to me. Too bad that America can’t do anything about her little problem. Sure, she won two world wars and put a man on the moon, but I guess reasonable gun control laws are just too darn hard to enact, even when it’s what the majority wants. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/91 "2015-11-05T11:53:05Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Sounds to me like you’re ignorant of liberal efforts to make gathering evidence as difficult as possible and to lessen prison sentences and lobby for early parole. I’ve seen some of the board’s liberals speak proudly of their successes in these areas on this very board. > > And of course we have the examples of Great Britton, where crimes we consider heinous routinely draw minimal prison terms and early release (barring politically incorrect crimes, that is, for which harsh sentencing predictably has become the norm), and of countries like Sweden and Norway, where being sentenced to prison is like living in a nice hotel or on a college campus. > > If you’re a victim, conservatives are your friend. If you’re a criminal, liberals are your friend. > > What’s sad is that you’re ignorant of this propensity on the part of your ideological brethren. Ah, I see the problem. I failed to factor your unique view of the universe. Attempting to fix the massive clusterfuck that is the US penal system, with its policies (mostly Republican-driven) that result is ludicrously disproportionate penalties for minor crimes leading to unsustainable prison overcrowding is not evidence of a “lack of concern for the victims of crime”, which was your original claim. Liberals are interested in justice. You appear to be interested only in punishment. Also, of course, conservative claims to be concerned with the victims of crime tend to run into a brick wall when the crime in question is rape. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/92 "2015-11-05T11:59:12Z")
> [@Dave\_Hartwick](#): > > I just checked, albeit not exhaustively. Not a single gun homicide in Australia today. Seems pretty positive to me. Too bad that America can’t do anything about her little problem. Sure, she won two world wars and put a man on the moon, but I guess reasonable gun control laws are just too darn hard to enact, even when it’s what the majority wants. They do have pretty reasonable gun control laws, actually - what’s different is the way guns are viewed there vs elsewhere. In the US, a gun is mainly a symbol of many things, from the ownership of your home to the Constitution and the rights enshrined in it. In other countries, they tend to be viewed as a dangerous tool. But when you look at the laws in the US, they actually have checks that are very similar to those of other countries - the difference is that in other countries nobody would think of buying a gun because we have the right to. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/93 "2015-11-05T18:02:12Z")
Kind of a mixed bag on this one: [A senior citizen turned the tables during a home invasion](http://www.wsaz.com/home/headlines/Senior-Citizen-Uses-Rifle-to-Turn-Tables-During-Home-Invasion--328758441.html) > [@](#): > > The elderly man woke up during a nap about 10 a.m. Tuesday to find a burglar ransacking his house. > > When Robert Hamm got up to investigate what was causing a loud noise, he saw a man going through the drawers in one of his bedrooms. > > “I saw the man with his arms loaded up with my tools,” Hamm said. > > The burglar, who’d climbed in through the bedroom window, apparently didn’t know or care that the 75-year-old was home. > > Hamm, who keeps his gun handy, wasn’t about to let the crook escape with his stuff. > > “I just pointed the gun at him and told him I’d blow him in two if he moved,” Hamm said, “and I made him lay down here in the middle of the floor.” > > Hamm called 911 and held him at gunpoint until police showed up at his home along Blue Hall Road in Olive Hill. Unfortunately, the person that police picked up quickly eluded them: > [@](#): > > Sgt. Randy Phillips with the Carter County Sheriff’s Department says the Carter County Detention Center wouldn’t take the suspect, Larry Lee Thompson, in Tuesday, because he was too intoxicated on pills and alcohol, so he was taken to a hospital in Morehead. > > Phillips says Thompson checked out of the hospital Wednesday evening. He was supposed to turn himself in at the jail, but he didn’t do so. > > “He could be anywhere,” Hamm said. “He could be down sitting at the foot of the hill waiting for me to come out or anything.” > > “We’re confident we will get him,” Phillips said. > > Phillips says their department is simply stretched too thin to keep a deputy with a suspect at the hospital for a day and a half. So, a guy breaks into someone’s house armed with a knife, the elderly homeowner subdues him at gun point (that’s the positive news), then the police detain the person, take him to a hospital, then the guy simply checks himself out. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/94 "2015-11-05T20:40:36Z")
A nosy liberal in Colorado tried to call the police just because her neighbor was outside with his rifle. She was informed by the 911 operator that the neighbor was in his rights to carry a gun and that they had a little thing called freedom in the Centennial State. But you know liberals, they just have to have the last word: > [@](#): > > Bettis called 911 again. "I said, ‘That guy I just called you about, he just shot somebody.'” [Noah Harpham Neighbor Called 911 Before Colorado Shooting Spree, Was Told Open Carry Is Legal](http://www.newser.com/story/215504/shooters-neighbor-called-911-was-told-open-carry-is-legal.html) ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/95 "2015-11-05T20:55:53Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > A nosy liberal in Colorado tried to call the police just because her neighbor was outside with his rifle. She was informed by the 911 operator that the neighbor was in his rights to carry a gun and that they had a little thing called freedom in the Centennial State. > > But you know liberals, they just have to have the last word: [Noah Harpham Neighbor Called 911 Before Colorado Shooting Spree, Was Told Open Carry Is Legal](http://www.newser.com/story/215504/shooters-neighbor-called-911-was-told-open-carry-is-legal.html) That’s a bad outcome, but I’m not sure why you felt the need to embellish the story. There is no mention of the 911 operator responding sarcastically or about freedom in the Centennial State. * * * In other news, [72-year-old man tied up in home invasion gets free, grabs gun](http://www.kptv.com/story/30093202/sheriff-72-year-old-man-tied-up-in-home-invasion-gets-free-grabs-gun) > [@](#): > > Investigators said two women entered the home of the 72-year-old victim, tied him to a chair and stole his cash, debit card and credit cards. > > One of the suspects, identified as 50-year-old Sheila Clark of Coos Bay, then took off in the man’s Chevrolet Blazer, according to deputies, while the second suspect, 27-year-old Michelle Taylor of Crescent City, California, stayed behind to guard him. > > Police located the vehicle at McKay’s Market in Gold Beach and then found Clark in the store. She was arrested for an outstanding warrant out of Multnomah County and faces additional charges of robbery, coercion, burglary, unlawful use of a motor vehicle and theft. > > In the meantime, investigators said the man who was tied up was able to free himself. He grabbed a handgun and pointed it at Taylor, the sheriff’s office said, and she ran away from the home. Another DGU with no shots fired. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/96 "2015-11-06T16:11:41Z")
[Man shot to death after attacking ex-girlfriend in violent home invasion](http://fox8.com/2015/09/24/police-man-shot-to-death-after-attacking-ex-girlfriend-in-violent-home-invasion/) > [@](#): > > The suspect arrived at the apartment, banged on the door and was refused entry. He then kicked in the door and reportedly destroyed items in the apartment, reports state. > > The suspect then also reportedly choked the female until she lost consciousness and charged at the 28-year-old man, hitting him. > > The man produced a handgun and shot the suspect in the chest. The only negative here is that the resident wasn’t able to stop the intruder before he choked out the woman who was there. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/97 "2015-11-06T18:26:24Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > 1. Why are we quibbling about whether the guy was a “disaster relief worker” or not? It’s a stupid point. And a relatively benign story - “guy accidentally breaks law which is different than in his home state in way that harms no one, is briefly punished but it all gets sorted out”. I’m not complaining. I brought it up because it was an outright lie that falsely portrayed a gun owner as a heroic figure of sorts. I agree it had nothing to do with the meat of the story, but the writer used it to glorify him. It was pure propaganda that Bone accepted at face value, and defended, just because it involved a gun owner. The same thing happened in the Stupid Gun News thread when Lumpy posted a story about a guy who had been robbed several times and finally got a gun and shot the next intruder. It turned out that he hadn’t bothered securing his apartment properly, but that didn’t matter to Lumpy. All that mattered was that he shot an intruder. I think it’s worth pointing out that they’re blindly accepting these stories just because they involve guns. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/98 "2015-11-06T21:45:48Z")
> [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > I brought it up because it was an outright lie that falsely portrayed a gun owner as a heroic figure of sorts. I agree it had nothing to do with the meat of the story, but the writer used it to glorify him. It was pure propaganda that Bone accepted at face value, and defended, just because it involved a gun owner. Except for the fact that you are wrong about the characterization, spot on! You admitted this when you incorrectly characterized the person in the story as a “disaster relief worker” in post #25: > [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > The only reason to call him a disaster relief worker–pardon me, that he was doing disaster relief work;)- You are the one who repeatedly mistakenly called him a “disaster relief worker”. Keep clinging to the idea that involving FEMA, the Office of Emergency Management, and the State Police (as I mentioned n post #35) constitutes no actual disaster! ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2015, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/99 "2015-11-06T22:11:54Z")
And in other news,[Police Say Robbery Suspect Shot In Jaw](http://www.swoknews.com/local/police-say-robbery-suspect-shot-jaw): > [@](#): > > Police and medical responders were called to McDonald’s, 30 S. Sheridan, shortly before 9:30 p.m. on the report of a man suffering a gunshot wound who was conscious and awake. According to the police report, the injured man was covered “with blood all over him” and told police, “I need help.” > Incident aftermath on cell phone > Witnesses told police the incident happened in the restaurant’s parking lot and originally involved three people. The injured man is alleged to have tried to rob one person and the third person shot him in the jaw. Cellphone video of the aftermath of the incident posted online showed two people retreating into the restaurant and locking the door, followed by the injured man attempting to get inside. Shot in the jaw and still functioning. People are resilient. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2015, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/100 "2015-11-07T02:31:28Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Keep clinging to the idea… And you can cling to whatever idea you want. I’m not gonna keep arguing with a fencepost. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=6)