# Positive Gun News of the Day **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 22, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490 "2015-10-22T22:57:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1221 "2017-07-28T14:39:01Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Ha ha ha…oh my, is that a humorous distortion of their actual policy! I like you. You’re funny! Is that more or less funny than the results of their actual policy? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1222 "2017-07-28T14:50:11Z")
And here I thought this wasn’t a thread about gun control. To get back on topic, [17-year-old Spokane girl pulls gun on home intruder on the run from Spokane County deputies:](http://www.khq.com/story/35903003/17-year-old-spokane-girl-pulls-gun-on-home-intruder-on-the-run-from-spokane-county-deputies) > [@](#): > > A 17-year-old north Spokane County girl protected herself and her home with her dad’s gun when a suspected car thief on the run from Spokane County deputies came into her house Monday morning. > … > A short time later she says she woke up to the sound of someone coming into her house. She grabbed the gun and hid behind her makeup vanity. She soon found herself face to face with the man on the run from deputies. > > Kimber pulled her gun out, pointed at the suspect and said, “Who are you?” and “Get the (expletive) out of my house!” > … > Deputies also showed up to Kimber’s house to tell her what a great job she had done and that they were glad she was okay. They showed her a picture of the man they were looking for and Kimber positively identified him as the man who was also in her house. 17 year old repels home invader with her father’s gun. I’d caution against guns under pillows and firing against a fleeing person, but I’ll leave that judgment to the folks on scene. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1223 "2017-07-28T14:51:08Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Is that more or less funny than the results of their actual policy? My money is on that you can’t tell me what their actual policy is without running a web search first. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1224 "2017-07-28T16:07:12Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > And here I thought this wasn’t a thread about gun control. To get back on topic, [17-year-old Spokane girl pulls gun on home intruder on the run from Spokane County deputies:](http://www.khq.com/story/35903003/17-year-old-spokane-girl-pulls-gun-on-home-intruder-on-the-run-from-spokane-county-deputies) > 17 year old repels home invader with her father’s gun. I’d caution against guns under pillows and firing against a fleeing person, but I’ll leave that judgment to the folks on scene. Kimber, what an awesome name for a girl with a pistol. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1225 "2017-07-28T16:30:23Z")
[D.C. APPEALS COURT STRIKES DOWN ‘GOOD REASON’ CCW LAW](https://www.saf.org/d-c-appeals-court-strikes-down-good-reason-ccw-law-saf/) > [@](#): > > BELLEVUE, WA – The Second Amendment Foundation today won a significant court victory against “good reason” requirements for concealed carry when the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia issued a permanent injunction against enforcement of such a requirement in Washington, D.C. > > “Today’s ruling contains some powerful language that affirms what we have argued for many years, that requiring a so-called ‘good cause’ to exercise a constitutionally-protect right does not pass the legal smell test,” said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. “We’re particularly pleased that the opinion makes it clear that the Second Amendment’s core generally covers carrying in public for self-defense.” > > The 31-page majority opinion also said that the District’s “good cause” requirement was essentially designed to prevent the exercise of the right to bear arms by most District residents. Thus, it amounts to a complete prohibition, and that does not pass muster under the 2008 Heller ruling that struck down the District’s 30-year handgun ban. Proud to say I am an SAF member, along with the NRA and GOA. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1226 "2017-07-28T17:10:44Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Kimber, what an awesome name for a girl with a pistol. 😃 Kids are expensive, just like her namesake. And require a “break in” period before they start working reliably. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2017, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1227 "2017-07-28T20:18:01Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > Umm. Definitely sarcasm > > [Study Finds Using Guns in Self-Defense is Rare.](https://www.google.com/search?q=guns+not+used+for+self+defense) > > I could literally post a different story to this thread every day of an incident that shows the bias of these stories. I just choose to limit myself to the out of the ordinary examples to avoid monotony. It’s rare? The people who wrote the study seriously need to watch some of the videos that are on the [Active Self Protection](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsE_m2z1NrvF2ImeNWh84mw) channel on YouTube. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2017, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1228 "2017-07-29T01:41:21Z")
I see a story about gun protection nearly every week. The thing that impressed me is how quickly a home invasion can occur. You have perhaps thirty seconds to react. You need a gun in at least two locations in the house. This guy in Georgia stayed calm under very frightening circumstances. One dead bad guy and homeowner won’t be charged. [https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/georgia-homeowner-shoots-kills-wig-wearing-intruder-48834356](https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/georgia-homeowner-shoots-kills-wig-wearing-intruder-48834356) > [@](#): > > Robertson says the homeowner was sleeping on a couch in the basement of his Lithonia home around 2:30 a.m. when he heard glass shattering. When he got up to check on the noise, he saw a man wearing a wig climbing through a broken window. > > The homeowner told the man he had a gun and to stop, but when the man continued walking toward him, the homeowner fired a shot. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2017, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1229 "2017-07-29T02:24:53Z")
Yeah, my sock drawer is not always accessible. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1230 "2017-07-29T14:30:46Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > It’s rare? The people who wrote the study seriously need to watch some of the videos that are on the [Active Self Protection](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsE_m2z1NrvF2ImeNWh84mw) channel on YouTube. People who do studies are not interested in anecdotes, as those are not data that contributes usefully to studies. ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2017, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1231 "2017-07-29T14:54:32Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > People who do studies are not interested in anecdotes, as those are not data that contributes usefully to studies. And are studies that involve people of varied lifestyles, geographies, home environments, work environments and experience with firearms pertinent to a person making a decision about his/her own protection from miscreants, wildlife and dangerous dogs? Are studies that ignore all the times that guns are used with no shots fired or no police reports filed valid in any way? How accurate can studies be that rely on people honestly reporting to strangers when they have used a gun? Why should anyone give credence to studies that involve potentially restricting or denying someone their natural (and constitutional) right to self-defense? Particularly when those studies are conducted by or paid for by government or academic entities that are known to be biased. There’s a reason neither side believes studies that have been conducted. And a reason that studies are irrelevant to both sides. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1232 "2018-01-05T16:30:57Z")
[GAO tries, fails to illegally buy guns online 72 times.](https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-18-24) > [@](#): > > Tests performed on the Surface Web demonstrated that private sellers GAO contacted on gun forums and other classified ads were unwilling to sell a firearm to an individual who appeared to be prohibited from possessing a firearm. Of the 72 attempts agents made to purchase firearms on the Surface Web, 56 sellers refused to complete a transaction: 29 sellers stated they would not ship a firearm and 27 refused after the disclosure of the undercover identities’ stated prohibited status. Furthermore, in 5 of these 72 attempts, the accounts GAO set up were frozen by the websites, which prevented the agents from using the forums and attempting to make a purchase. Not sure why the remaining 16 failed to go through, but it appears the so called online buying loophole would take a lot of effort to navigate. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1233 "2018-01-05T16:43:16Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > [GAO tries, fails to illegally buy guns online 72 times.](https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-18-24) > Not sure why the remaining 16 failed to go through, but it appears the so called online buying loophole would take a lot of effort to navigate. What does “27 refused after the disclosure of the undercover identities’ stated prohibited status.” mean? That they would have sent them, but the “buyer” disclosed their status, or that the gun seller somehow determined the status? I cannot tell if it is relying on voluntary disclosures of prohibited status to keep guns away from prohibited people. Also, your post does not include that the GAO was in fact able to procure both an AR-15 and an Uzi modified for full auto from the dark web. > [@your cited article](#): > > Of these seven attempts, two on a Dark Web marketplace were successful. Specifically, GAO agents purchased and received an AR-15 rifle and an Uzi that the seller said was modified so that it would fire automatically. GAO provided referral letters to applicable law-enforcement agencies for these purchases to inform any ongoing investigations. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1234 "2018-01-05T19:06:10Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > What does “27 refused after the disclosure of the undercover identities’ stated prohibited status.” mean? > > That they would have sent them, but the “buyer” disclosed their status, or that the gun seller somehow determined the status? > > I cannot tell if it is relying on voluntary disclosures of prohibited status to keep guns away from prohibited people. The other articles I had found were so politically biased one way or the other that they were painful to read. But they stated that the buyer made some statement that they were felons or dishonorably discharged, prompting the seller’s refusal to complete the sale. > [@](#): > > Also, your post does not include that the GAO was in fact able to procure both an AR-15 and an Uzi modified for full auto from the dark web. Yes, because people buying guns with their heroin on the dark web are so well known for being upstanding citizens who would submit to a universal background check if it were the law. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1235 "2018-01-05T19:27:44Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > The other articles I had found were so politically biased one way or the other that they were painful to read. But they stated that the buyer made some statement that they were felons or dishonorably discharged, prompting the seller’s refusal to complete the sale. Would have been interesting to see if any of the sales had gone through it the buyers did not “admit” to being felons. I don’t really see that as a very good test of how difficult it is to navigate the loopholes of online buying, criminals are not always known for their honesty. > [@](#): > > Yes, because people buying guns with their heroin on the dark web are so well known for being upstanding citizens who would submit to a universal background check if it were the law. :rolleyes: Right, not sure what your point is. Your original statement was “GAO tries, fails to illegally buy guns online 72 times.”, which was not the whole story, as they also succeeded in illegally buying guns online 28% of the time from the dark web. Not sure why my pointing out your omission earns me a rolleyes. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1236 "2018-01-05T20:48:15Z")
The abstract isn’t worded very well, from the actual report, of 72 attempts: - 56 refused the transaction. Of these 56: - 29 did not want to ship (either due to convenience or because it is illegal, it is not clear). - 27 were told/hinted that the fake buyer was either a felon or dishonorably discharged, and refused. - 11 more were scam listings 2 seemed legitimate, but did not respond after payment and disclosure of prohibited status 9 were deemed obvious scams - The remaining 5 led to the investigator’s accounts being closed, whether due to automated systems or the seller reporting them, it is not clear They made 7 attempts on the “Dark Web”, 2 of which were successful: - a legal AR-15, but with an illegally destroyed serial - an UZI which was claimed to be fully automatic, so illegal. It is not clear if it in fact had FA capabilities. Seems like a tease. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1237 "2018-01-05T20:54:45Z")
Thank you for wading through that. My takeaway from the report is that honest people on legitimate sites are honest and will obey the regulations already in place. Criminals on criminal sites aren’t going to pay much heed to any law. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1238 "2018-02-06T16:19:13Z")
In other news, [Man carrying concealed pistol stops attack on Utah police officer (audio autoplays)](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/04/man-carrying-concealed-pistol-stops-attack-on-utah-police-officer.html): > [@](#): > > The officer ordered Anderson to remove his hands out of his pockets. Anderson eventually took his hands out of his pants’ pockets and began repeatedly punching the officer in the face. > > Derek Meyer told FOX13 he was driving by the area when he spotted the police lights and saw Anderson attacking the cop. Meyer turned around and pulled out his pistol. > > … > > Meyer aimed the pistol at Anderson and yelled at him to stop attacking the officer. Anderson bolted from the scene as responding officers arrived. The attacker, who was found hiding under a flatbed trailer, was arrested and faces several charges, according to FOX13. DGU with no shots fired. What I want to know more about are the feet that were dangling from the donation bin. The story makes it seem like a body, but I think it was the attacker that was trying to steal from the bin. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1239 "2018-02-21T13:52:06Z")
[Gun store owner stops selling AR-15s to people under 21](https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/20/us/jason-cazes-raising-age-limit-to-buy-gun-cnntv/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1240 "2018-02-27T21:32:43Z")
[Man used AR-15 to stop stabbing; No shots fired](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-rifle-stabbing-oswego-20180227-story.html) > [@](#): > > A man who witnessed a stabbing in Oswego Township grabbed an AR-15-style rifle from his house and stopped the attack without firing shots Monday, according to the Kendall County sheriff’s office. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=61) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=63)