# Positive Gun News of the Day **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 22, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490 "2015-10-22T22:57:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 63
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1241 "2018-02-28T12:54:54Z")
Dick’s Sporting Goods will no longer sell assault rifles. They also announced they will no longer sell high capacity magazines, nor will they sell any guns to persons under the age of 21. > **[Walmart and Dick’s Raise Minimum Age for Gun Buyers to 21 (Published 2018)](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/business/walmart-and-dicks-major-gun-retailers-will-tighten-rules-on-guns-they-sell.html)** > > The two retailers, responding to the school shooting in Florida, tightened their sales policies. Dick’s Sporting Goods said it would also stop selling assault-style rifles. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1242 "2018-03-17T12:19:21Z")
[Police seize first firearms under Florida’s new gun-control laws](http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-school-shooting-guns-seized-lighthouse-point-20180316-story.html) > [@](#): > > Four firearms and 267 rounds of ammunition were ordered removed from a 56-year-old Lighthouse Point man who was determined to be a potential risk to himself or others. > > The guns and ammunition have been temporarily removed from the man under the state’s new “risk protection” law, which is also sometimes called “red flag” legislation, Lighthouse Point City Attorney Michael Cirullo confirmed. > > The man was also taken to a hospital for involuntary psychiatric treatment under the state’s Baker Act. But the civil ruling removing his access to guns and ammunition was granted under the new legislation — which permits confiscating guns from people who have not been committed but are deemed a potential risk to themselves or others, according to the order signed by Broward’s Chief Judge Jack Tuter. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1243 "2018-03-19T05:43:26Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [Police seize first firearms under Florida’s new gun-control laws](http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-school-shooting-guns-seized-lighthouse-point-20180316-story.html) That is positive news, IMO. In other news, [Campbell County homeowner shoots intruder](https://wlni.com/local-news/campbell-county-homeowner-shoots-intruder) > [@](#): > > The Sheriff’s Office received an additional call from a homeowner stating that a male subject was breaking windows and now entering their residence through a window. The homeowner fired one shot, striking the subject, who then fled on foot. The subject was later located had sustained a single gunshot wound to the upper chest. DGU with no deaths. Even chest shot was not sufficient to to terminate the threat. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1244 "2018-03-24T19:31:48Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > That is positive news, IMO. Yes, very. > [@](#): > > In other news, [Campbell County homeowner shoots intruder](https://wlni.com/local-news/campbell-county-homeowner-shoots-intruder) > DGU with no deaths. Even chest shot was not sufficient to to terminate the threat. Sounds like the guy ran away. The threat was terminated, even if the person’s life was not. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1245 "2018-04-06T23:09:17Z")
Yes! [Fuck AR-15s!](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-06/massachusetts-s-ban-on-assault-weapons-upheld-by-federal-judge) ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1246 "2018-04-26T16:49:44Z")
In other news, [30 rounds fired from AR-15 in deadly Florida home invasion](https://www.news4jax.com/news/30-rounds-fired-by-ar15-in-florida-home-invasion-shootout): > [@](#): > > Three men say they were asleep inside a mobile home in Glen St. Mary about 4 a.m. Sunday when they heard a voice outside yell “Sheriff’s Office!” before the front door burst open. > > In stormed a masked gunman who fired off a single round before two of the men inside, one armed with an AR-15 rifle and the other with a handgun, emerged from two bedrooms and opened fire. > > Gunfire ripped into the masked gunman and two other intruders, who crumpled to the floor with multiple gunshot wounds. > > … > > The victims told deputies they acted in self-defense when they turned their guns on the intruders, with one of them estimating he fired over 30 rounds from an AR-15 before the threat was over. DGU with 1 dead and multiple injuries - to the attackers, defenders were unharmed. 7 people come to a residence at 4am, falsely claim they are police, only to be repelled by armed residents using among other weapons, an AR-15 (probably some variant). ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1247 "2018-04-26T23:19:51Z")
Another person is killed, and that’s \*positive \*news. Gotcha. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1248 "2018-04-27T08:59:02Z")
What would the men have done differently if it actually _had_ been the police? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1249 "2018-04-27T13:00:52Z")
That would have been resisting tyranny. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1250 "2018-04-27T13:10:18Z")
Yeah, I don’t understand that. The guys said “Sheriff’s Office!” Why didn’t the guys immediately drop their weapons and put their hands up? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1251 "2018-04-27T13:11:39Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Yeah, I don’t understand that. The guys said “Sheriff’s Office!” Why didn’t the guys immediately drop their weapons and put their hands up? Why didn’t they ask to see a badge and a warrant? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1252 "2018-04-27T13:14:00Z")
Yeah, I’m confused now. So when guys break into my house and scream “Sheriff’s Office!” I should just start shooting them? ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1253 "2018-04-27T13:26:02Z")
The linked article says: > [@](#): > > “Investigators suspect the home invasion escalated from an ongoing feud between two groups that was stoked by social media threats” The article also says: > [@](#): > > The Sheriff’s Office said the five individuals charged in the case were among a group of seven that went to the mobile home that morning to confront and fight the group staying there. > > William Lauramore, 24; Joseph Albino, 24; Zachary Bell, 20; Christian Watkins, 19; and Cayden Lauramore, 15, are charged with home invasion. But additional charges are possible. > > Albino, Bell and Watkins provided conflicting details about their involvement in the shooting, but all three said they had no idea others in their group had brought weapons along, according to the report." Social media feud escalated to an armed home invasion by a group of seven. S,o it appears that the men in the trailer were expecting trouble from the home invaders. But, yes, one aspect of this is that a group of seven masked armed invaders pretended to be police. I wonder where they got that idea? The idea that they could be masked, armed and kick down a door? I wonder if they also wore dark clothing with the word “POLICE” written on the back? And the other aspect is that if the men in the trailer had believed they were police, they would likely have been beaten and possibly killed by the invaders. A troubling situation all around. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1254 "2018-04-27T15:45:00Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > The linked article says: > > The article also says: > > Social media feud escalated to an armed home invasion by a group of seven. > > S,o it appears that the men in the trailer were expecting trouble from the home invaders. > > But, yes, one aspect of this is that a group of seven masked armed invaders pretended to be police. I wonder where they got that idea? The idea that they could be masked, armed and kick down a door? I wonder if they also wore dark clothing with the word “POLICE” written on the back? And the other aspect is that if the men in the trailer had believed they were police, they would likely have been beaten and possibly killed by the invaders. A troubling situation all around. Be an interesting situation if the people had “swatted” them. Called in a threat, like the gamer kid in Kansas (I think?) did a while back that got the innocent homeowner killed. They would be expecting these people that they have the fued with, but have actual cops involved. They certainly seemed to be expecting trouble. Says they were “sleeping” but they had a pretty fast response. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1255 "2018-04-27T15:46:00Z")
So which ones are the Good Guys, again? It’s really hard to tell, unless it’s defined to be the ones with the superior firepower. Is that makes the news positive? ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1256 "2018-04-27T15:53:17Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > So which ones are the Good Guys, again? It’s really hard to tell, unless it’s defined to be the ones with the superior firepower. Is that makes the news positive? I don’t know for sure where on the “good” scale anyone fits, but I’m very inclined to give points to the ones who didn’t show up as a group of seven, kick down someone’s door and fire a shot as they entered the residence uninvited. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1257 "2018-04-27T15:58:31Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > What would the men have done differently if it actually _had_ been the police? They would have probably been killed. But given they seemed ready for conflict, I would hazard a guess they assessed the situation and made a determination, correctly, that the armed folks at 4 in the morning were not in fact police. Perhaps they looked outside, noticed a lack of police vehicles, etc. and then steeled themselves against the folks knowing about the ongoing feud mentioned in the article. It’s not known how much time transpired between when the invaders declared themselves and when they ultimately made entry. * * * In other news, [Clerk shoots armed robber at Fayetteville gas station](https://www.wral.com/clerk-shoots-masked-armed-suspect-at-fayetteville-gas-station/17512268/) > [@](#): > > Meanwhile, Bassam Albareti, 29, also saw on the store’s security camera the two suspected robbers coming in and pulled out a gun, the owner said. Albareti fired several shots through the glass that enclosed the counter, hitting one man, the owner said. > > The would-be robbers dropped their gun and fled. The owner said the gun wasn’t loaded. DGU with 1 injury and no deaths - 2v1 and the one prevailed. Robbers were able to run away after one was shot and go home to their mother, lie about what happened, and try to claim to be the victims. It can be convenient when the perpetrators of crime call the police themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1258 "2018-04-27T16:23:06Z")
[CDC researches defensive gun usage, doesn’t publish findings.](http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/22/guns-save-lives-cdc-never-publicized/) I wonder why. > [@](#): > > The final adjusted prevalence of 1.24% therefore implies that in an average year during 1996–1998, 2.46 million U.S. adults used a gun for self-defense. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1259 "2018-04-27T16:46:32Z")
The best part about your link is when traversing through all the linked papers and studies, one cannot find the CDC surveys, and only the opinion of one Gary Kleck says what the CDC surveys say. And then, this: > [@](#): > > UPDATE: You will note the original link doesn’t work right now. It was pointed out to me by Robert VerBruggen of National Review that Kleck treats the CDC’s surveys discussed in this paper as if they were national in scope, as Kleck’s original survey was, but they apparently were not. From VerBruggen’s own looks at CDC’s raw data, it seems that over the course of the three years, the following 15 states were surveyed: Alaska, Colorado, Hawaii, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Montana, Ohio, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia. (Those states, from 2000 census data, contained around 27 percent of the U.S. population.) Informed of this, Kleck says he will recalculate the degree to which CDC’s survey work indeed matches or corroborates his, and we will publish a discussion of those fresh results when they come in. **But for now Kleck has pulled the original paper from the web pending his rethinking the data and his conclusions** Bolding mine. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1260 "2018-04-27T16:48:40Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > The best part about your link is when traversing through all the linked papers and studies, one cannot find the CDC surveys, and only the opinion of one Gary Kleck says what the CDC surveys say. And then, this: > > Bolding mine. I saw that earlier this week. While interesting I think it’s premature to conclude anything, and probably a subject of its own thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=62) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=64)