# Positive Gun News of the Day **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 22, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490 "2015-10-22T22:57:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1261 "2018-04-27T16:54:39Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > They would have probably been killed. But given they seemed ready for conflict, I would hazard a guess they assessed the situation and made a determination, correctly, that the armed folks at 4 in the morning were not in fact police. Perhaps they looked outside, noticed a lack of police vehicles, etc. and then steeled themselves against the folks knowing about the ongoing feud mentioned in the article. It’s not known how much time transpired between when the invaders declared themselves and when they ultimately made entry. They claimed to be asleep when the guy burst in. > [@](#): > > * * * > > In other news, [Clerk shoots armed robber at Fayetteville gas station](https://www.wral.com/clerk-shoots-masked-armed-suspect-at-fayetteville-gas-station/17512268/) > > DGU with 1 injury and no deaths - 2v1 and the one prevailed. Robbers were able to run away after one was shot and go home to their mother, lie about what happened, and try to claim to be the victims. It can be convenient when the perpetrators of crime call the police themselves. Fortunately, the robber’s gun was not loaded. If it had been, then they may have shot back, and the injury/death count could have been much higher. Hopefully for shopkeepers, criminals continue to forgo loading their guns before committing robberies. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1262 "2018-04-27T17:10:31Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > The best part about your link is when traversing through all the linked papers and studies, one cannot find the CDC surveys, and only the opinion of one Gary Kleck says what the CDC surveys say. And then, this: > > Bolding mine. The question asked: > [@](#): > > “During the last 12 months, have you confronted another person with a firearm, even if you did not fire it, to protect yourself, your property, or someone else?” Doesn’t really mean much. I mean [this guy](https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/14/us/michigan-man-shoots-at-teen-asking-for-directions/index.html) would answer yes, as would [this woman](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/12/us/woman-who-shot-at-home-depot-shoplifters-vows-to-never-help-anyone-again.html), and as would[this guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15367557#post15367557). While I am sure that there are completely legitimate uses of guns for defending oneself, in a self reporting question like that, there are going to be many who report that they used a gun to ward off what they perceived as a threat, even if there was no actual threat, even if their actions actually put people in danger. I mean, if someone comes to my door, and I am afraid of them, and a I brandish a gun at them, I could call that a self defense, even if all I did was scare shitless a couple of kids selling magazine subscriptions or collecting money for their band. It would also count if I started an argument with someone, then brandished my gun as a way of ending it. ETA: And that is giving the benefit of the doubt as to the veracity of the claims. In a self reporting question like that, you can just lie. Many gun owners have expressed that it is not only okay to, but is preferable to lie to people conducting surveys about guns in the home, I don’t see why they would be any more honest about DGU’s. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1263 "2018-04-30T03:33:37Z")
[In order to keep Mike Pence safe, the NRA will ban all firearms from the Kay Bailey Hutchinson Convention Center where he will be appearing at their convention](https://www.yahoo.com/news/nra-convention-bans-guns-protect-012331621.html). ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1264 "2018-04-30T03:40:21Z")
Because the Secret Service requires it. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1265 "2018-04-30T14:18:24Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Because the Secret Service requires it. But shouldn’t the NRA be convincing the Secret Service about how much safer the venue will be if a lot more people are armed? I mean, the Secret Service should readily agree, right? ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1266 "2018-04-30T14:22:20Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Because the Secret Service requires it. Exactly. I saw CNN trying to make hay with this stupid carp this morning and immediately thought “what a bunch of Fake News BS”. There is no way the Secret Service is going to change their procedures and requirements and allow a bunch of people to carry guns in to see the VP. But CNN failed to mention the Secret Service part. Imagine that. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1267 "2018-04-30T14:31:41Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > There is no way the Secret Service is going to change their procedures and requirements and allow a bunch of people to carry guns in to see the VP. So will we see the gundamentalist lobby throw their weight against this unconstitutional policy? ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1268 "2018-04-30T14:40:09Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So will we see the gundamentalist lobby throw their weight against this unconstitutional policy? Procedures that may be appropriate for a crowd of people going to hear a previously announced and scheduled speech by the President of the United States (or the Vice President) are not appropriate for everyday life in the country as a whole. I would hope the NRA would be joined by the ACLU and a whole bunch of other people in protesting if we as a society tried to implement a policy of requiring Americans to submit to being scanned and searched and emptying our pockets and having our bags and backpacks X-rayed every single time we left the house. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1269 "2018-04-30T14:41:40Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > I saw CNN trying to make hay with this stupid carp this morning and immediately thought “what a bunch of Fake News BS”. [Stupid carp, indeed!](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2Fb2%2Fb3%2F45%2Fb2b345e803582c9f70a4d98115fe1d67.png&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F464222674072539671%2F&docid=RpDsL8QpxBGrhM&tbnid=qbKcC3NaOLV_VM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiRi8_rnOLaAhVhTt8KHRAbB_kQMwheKCwwLA..i&w=500&h=750&itg=1&client=firefox-b-1&bih=859&biw=1280&q=stupid%20carp&ved=0ahUKEwiRi8_rnOLaAhVhTt8KHRAbB_kQMwheKCwwLA&iact=mrc&uact=8) ---
**Author:** ![Orwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/dfb087/32.png) [@Orwell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orwell)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1270 "2018-04-30T14:44:42Z")
> [@](#): > > But shouldn’t the NRA be convincing the Secret Service about how much safer the venue will be if a lot more people are armed? > > I mean, the Secret Service should readily agree, right? > [@](#): > > So will we see the gundamentalist lobby throw their weight against this unconstitutional policy? I know you guys think you have a couple of “gotchas”, but you don’t. When the secret service secures an area, they take control and watch everything that is going on. They also have their own weapons and are ready to use them. Same with courthouses, where armed security is present. Contrast that to so-called “gun-free zones” like schools, some shopping malls, some businesses. There, someone hangs signs up disallowing guns, but does nothing to actually protect the safety of all of the people. Hanging a sign disallowing lawful carry makes it more likely that a lunatic will not encounter any resistance, but does nothing at all to increase safety. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1271 "2018-04-30T15:08:50Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Because the Secret Service requires it. So yeah, the government is telling you when and where you can be armed. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1272 "2018-04-30T15:28:02Z")
Where else are you going to find more Good Guys With Guns than an NRA convention? The Secret Service obviously needs a patient explanation of how their policy is entirely wrong-headed, driven only by hoplophobia. Any of you guys want to volunteer? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1273 "2018-04-30T15:41:37Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > I know you guys think you have a couple of “gotchas”, but you don’t. When the secret service secures an area, they take control and watch everything that is going on. They also have their own weapons and are ready to use them. Same with courthouses, where armed security is present. > > Contrast that to so-called “gun-free zones” like schools, some shopping malls, some businesses. There, someone hangs signs up disallowing guns, but does nothing to actually protect the safety of all of the people. Hanging a sign disallowing lawful carry makes it more likely that a lunatic will not encounter any resistance, but does nothing at all to increase safety. The Secret Service are also highly trained and psychologically tested. “More amateurs with guns” does not equate to “increased safety” the way you think it does. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1274 "2018-04-30T15:46:43Z")
> [@Orwell](#): > > I know you guys think you have a couple of “gotchas”, but you don’t. When the secret service secures an area, they take control and watch everything that is going on. They also have their own weapons and are ready to use them. Same with courthouses, where armed security is present. Sure. But having even MORE guns available in the hands of lawful 2nd Amendment-abiding citizens will make these venues even MORE safe. Travelling to a venue where I’m not allowed to take my legally owned weapon seems like a severe case of infringement on my 2nd Amendment rights. And the Constitution itself says “…shall not be infringed” You are telling me that there are some times where the infringement of my 2nd Amendment rights is not only lawful, but necessary as well? That seems strange to me. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1275 "2018-04-30T16:00:02Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Travelling to a venue where I’m not allowed to take my legally owned weapon seems like a severe case of infringement on my 2nd Amendment rights. And the Constitution itself says “…shall not be infringed” > > You are telling me that there are some times where the infringement of my 2nd Amendment rights is not only lawful, but necessary as well? That seems strange to me. Unless these are the arguments that you truly hold and are honestly advancing, it doesn’t seem like these comments are in good faith. I’ll try to get the thread back on track. * * * In other news, [Suspected burglar shot, killed by homeowner in Greenville Co. ID’d](http://www.wspa.com/news/crime/greenville-homeowner-shoots-kills-suspected-burglar/1131192360): > [@](#): > > A family member of the resident tells 7News his niece arrived home after dropping her children off at school and smelled something strange. > > That’s when Douglas Sweeney said she went to her car for a gun that she legally carries, returned to her home and found a man in her closet. > > Sweeney said she shot the man after he lunged at her. DGU with one death. I’d say if the person is licensed to carry it’s strange to leave the weapon in the car, but perhaps the school didn’t allow weapons on campus so the firearm was in the car and not placed back on the person when she returned to her vehicle. Good thing she was able to retrieve it in time. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1276 "2018-04-30T16:12:15Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Unless these are the arguments that you truly hold and are honestly advancing, it doesn’t seem like these comments are in good faith. It’s called sarcasm, and it’s quite accepted on this board. Accusations of bad faith, not so much. :dubious: > [@](#): > > DGU with one death. Coulda been \*no \*deaths if she’d ever called the cops. Did she, or did she exercise a vigilante fantasy? > [@](#): > > I’d say if the person is licensed to carry it’s strange to leave the weapon in the car We’ve previously been exposed to the idea, in your IMHO thread, that carrying a gun, especially concealed, can be more like carrying a magic talisman to ward off evil than actually preparing to defend oneself, or to escalate a situation into one that ends up as a “DGU with one death”. Perhaps she simply forgot to bring her talisman with her at first? > [@](#): > > Good thing she was able to retrieve it in time. An even better thing if she’d called in the people trained and equipped and authorized to respond to the situation. Might not be someone killed, right? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1277 "2018-04-30T16:22:39Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > An even better thing if she’d called in the people trained and equipped and authorized to respond to the situation. Might not be someone killed, right? The “situation” was an odd odor in her home. Would you call 911 for an odd odor? I wouldn’t, I’d explore my home in an attempt to identify the source of the odor. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1278 "2018-04-30T16:23:32Z")
Would you pull a gun to defend yourself against a bad odor? At some point she decided there was a threat from an intruder, and went to get her gun \*instead of \*calling 911. Somebody is dead because of that. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1279 "2018-04-30T16:33:11Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > The “situation” was an odd odor in her home. Would you call 911 for an odd odor? I wouldn’t, I’d explore my home in an attempt to identify the source of the odor. And given there was an intruder who was hiding in the closet, and apparently had been bothering this person before, I’d say it was prudent to investigate while armed. In other news, [Armed resident stops attempted home invasion](https://www.wthr.com/article/armed-resident-stops-attempted-home-invasion): > [@](#): > > Two people are facing charges after police say they tried to break into a home, but it was the man inside who stopped them. > … > Police believe the pair broke into the home the night before when no one was there. When they returned Friday morning, the homeowner’s son was there and he was armed. > > Police say he handcuffed and held the suspects at gunpoint until officers got there. DGU with no injuries. I’m curious how the person came to be in possession of handcuffs, but hey, whatever floats your boat and it worked out well. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490/1280 "2018-04-30T16:57:27Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Would you pull a gun to defend yourself against a bad odor? Yes, I have. We live in the country. A “bad odor” could be a raccoon, squirrel, fox, bat, etc that got into the house. If I’m searching my home to locate odor source I’d carry a gun (my 16 gauge pump) just in case. Years ago I found an exploded soup(?) can that smelled up the entire house but was difficult to pin down exact location. Had I called 911 I think I’d have been laughed at, if not to my face, at least behind my back. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=63) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/positive-gun-news-of-the-day/735490.md?page=65)